Lean Muscle/Cutting Cycle Review

Hi Guys,

Stats:
Age: 35
Weight: 94kg
Bf: 12.5%
Length: 1.85m
3rd Cycle

Your opinion on the following cycle for cutting - December is on its way and most of us want to get the muscles popping.

Week 1 to 12 Sustanon 250 - 500mg/pw (Base Test for cycle)
Week 1 to 3 Clenbutrol (Kick off the weight loss)

• Week 1 - 20mg/pd increase 20mg/pd till 140mg
• Week 2 - 140mg/pd
• Week 3 - Decrease 20mg/pd

Week 1 to 6 Turinabol 50mg/pd (Lean Muscle gain)
Week 5 to 12 Masteron 100mg/eod (Finisher)
Week 1 to 12 Proviron 100mg/pd
OPTIONAL: Week 6 to 12 Winstrol 80mg/pd (Harden and Refine Muscle Gains)
PCT Schedule No.3

Diet - Macro diet with 10% to 15% deficit on calorie intake

Concerns/Questions/Thoughts
1. Is it perhaps not too complicated and too many compounds?
2. With the number of anti Estrogen components in the cycle - will it still be necessary to run an AI? (I am prone to serious water retention and would like to keep it to complete minimum)
3. I'm prone to acne and on a low dosage accutane (20mg/pd)course to clear up some acne from my bulking cycle. Is the liver toxicity with the accutane and the orals something to be concerned about or should I just utilize more liver protection?

Any other thoughts or suggestions?

Thanks,
R

Hey there.

On your cycle. It looks good. Just one issue on the clen. 140mcg? That’s definitely dangerous 20/40/80 i would say max.
If u pushing clen at 140mcg your diet is definitely out of check.
Change your sus for test e or c

Questions
1. Yes a bit. Test/tbol&masteron is plenty or drop the tbol nd finish off with winny @50mg max.
Drop the proviron & clen

2. Use arimidex if water is a problm for you. @0.25 then adjust
3. Accutane. Is liver toxic from my understanding as is.
Try to not run too many compounds in one cycle (orals)

Liver support is definitely important

Samz got alot of it covered. Test C or E would be my choice as well.

As for the orals, lately i've seen alot of people holding water and suffering from BP increases with Tbol from respected brands. I personally would opt for anavar instead which is lighter on the liver and still gives you great strength while leaning out.

Clen is something optional. Personally didn't like clen while pinning. Maybe it was just me, but i found it difficult to pin while on clen. As if clen tenses up my muscles making it harder for the needle to penetrate. I feel the anavar might cover enough fat loss. However this is my personal experience and opinions so for others it might be different. If you do go with clen i would try to limit the dosage. It is said that 120mcg is the highest safe dosage, i found myself unable to cope with sides at 80mcg. Saw some results but dropped clen due to sides. tried again and again but could never manage to finish a clen cycle.

I would choose between proviron and masteron and lean more towards masteron which has better cutting abilities. However there are guys who run both. I personally think it's alot of money especially if you're considering an AI. Remember it's better to have an AI and not need it, than to need it and not have it. Maybe consider keeping it on hand.

Samz has a point with too many compounds in a cycle, but the compounds you're using i don't see as the harshest (like a 19nor) so i think you can get away with it.

Winny dosage is definitely too high!! Again a personal choice of mine is to go with anavar, however alot of guys prefer the results of winny when cutting plus it's easier on the pocket. However it has more of an impact on your liver.

Thanks for the feedback SamZ - I'll recheck the Clen since it's my first cycle incorporating it and the feedback I'm getting from other sources is also that it's not something that you play around with and low doses that you can tolerate is a better option than pushing the limits.

Any specific reason to change the Sust out with Test E/C? PS.. I'm sh*t scared of needles as it is so the less I need to inject the better, so long esters is best option for me lol.

Rodza wrote: Thanks for the feedback SamZ - I'll recheck the Clen since it's my first cycle incorporating it and the feedback I'm getting from other sources is also that it's not something that you play around with and low doses that you can tolerate is a better option than pushing the limits.

Any specific reason to change the Sust out with Test E/C? PS.. I'm sh*t scared of needles as it is so the less I need to inject the better, so long esters is best option for me lol.

test e and test c are also long esters. Go with test C for practically painless pins.

The difference is that sust is a miixture of short, long and even longer esters. You still pin it once (or twice) a week. However the crap comes in when you finish your last cycle and wait to start PCT. Because of the longer esters in sust you have to wait much longer before you can start PCT. Sust is usually a 54 day wait whereas test c you only wait 36 days.

Hoosain wrote:

Rodza wrote: Thanks for the feedback SamZ - I'll recheck the Clen since it's my first cycle incorporating it and the feedback I'm getting from other sources is also that it's not something that you play around with and low doses that you can tolerate is a better option than pushing the limits.

Any specific reason to change the Sust out with Test E/C? PS.. I'm sh*t scared of needles as it is so the less I need to inject the better, so long esters is best option for me lol.

test e and test c are also long esters. Go with test C for practically painless pins.

The difference is that sust is a miixture of short, long and even longer esters. You still pin it once (or twice) a week. However the crap comes in when you finish your last cycle and wait to start PCT. Because of the longer esters in sust you have to wait much longer before you can start PCT. Sust is usually a 54 day wait whereas test c you only wait 36 days.

and not forgetting the water retention sus gives withsome guys. Not saying test c&e dont give water retention. Sus is a bit more

Hoosain wrote:

Rodza wrote: Thanks for the feedback SamZ - I'll recheck the Clen since it's my first cycle incorporating it and the feedback I'm getting from other sources is also that it's not something that you play around with and low doses that you can tolerate is a better option than pushing the limits.

Any specific reason to change the Sust out with Test E/C? PS.. I'm sh*t scared of needles as it is so the less I need to inject the better, so long esters is best option for me lol.

test e and test c are also long esters. Go with test C for practically painless pins.

The difference is that sust is a miixture of short, long and even longer esters. You still pin it once (or twice) a week. However the crap comes in when you finish your last cycle and wait to start PCT. Because of the longer esters in sust you have to wait much longer before you can start PCT. Sust is usually a 54 day wait whereas test c you only wait 36 days.

Suggested Test Cyp quantity - 400mg or 600mg ?

Same as you intitial planned dose of 500mg. If you are getting it dosed at 200mg/ml i would even use 400mg seeing as it's more a cutting cycle than a bulking cycle

Pgw TestE300mg is a another option better bang for buck