Next Cycle- First time stacking TREN

Hi.

Please let me know what you think of my next cycle?

I'm 48 years old. This will be my 6th cycle. (Well, i've been B&C for a bit but you get the idea)
Currently 83KG...Will probably be down to 80kg when i blast.
10% body fat.
1.78metres

Tren Ace @ 120MG a week. (E.O.D injections at 40mg each) (8 WEEKS, ONE VIAL)
Test Cyp @ 250MG a week. (One injection a week) (10 weeks)
Anavar 20MG a day for 8 weeks

Thanks guys_

If you doing frequent injections with the ace why not use test prop rather, works much quicker. Otherwise i don't see what is wrong with it.

Do you still PCT or return TRT?

Return to trt low dose

Then it makes sense to stay on the test cyp.

What's your reason behind the tren at this time of the year?

Pump I'll only start this cycle in 2 months so it'll be past the winter half way mark I think. For what it's worth I hear that cooler weather on tren might help with the "tren night sweats" but then again my dose is so slow low I will hopefully not experience that side effect.

Go for it, let's see how it goes.

Pump... is it ok to draw test (cyp) & tren ace into the same syringe?

Yup

What's your thinking behind such a low dose Tren?

Edit: And why the low dose Anavar? What can you gain from such a low dose if not used for retaining muscle during weight loss?

I'm 48 for starters and not a big guy by any stretch of the imagination. Not sure I want to be messing with Tren at high doseages. Insomnia, Night Sweats, Relationship Killer... think i'll stay low initially. Maybe 40mg every 3days?

My research has also led me to believe that tren amplifies the other compounds in the stack. So a low dose anavar could very well be amplified and as such deliver better results than taking it 20mg standalone. That said, the 20mg dose has been playing on my mind and I'm thinking of upping it to 30mg a day. (This will be my first time using Anavar too by the way.)

You obviously think I'm being too cautious/ "bang broek"?

I appreciate your input. Great forum this.

40mg every 2 days*** correction

Tren Ace ideally should be done every day because with the short half life of the acetate ester the dips and peaks in your hormones can be very noticeble in your moods with E2D shots instead of EOD. But it differs from person to person. I notice it for sure. Like a rollercoaster.

So I only use Tren E these days because every day shots is a big NO. 100mg-120mg Tren E per week for me is golden with low dose test. I can make it over 3 months without wanting to rip someones head off compared to 6 weeks at 200mg+.

Thank you that's helpful. Yes I'd prefer less injection frequency but I believe it best to try the Ace ester first in case I have a "bad trip" with the compound.

E.D you suggest though... food for thought.

Thanks for your response

Gee wrote: I'm 48 for starters and not a big guy by any stretch of the imagination. Not sure I want to be messing with Tren at high doseages. Insomnia, Night Sweats, Relationship Killer... think i'll stay low initially. Maybe 40mg every 3days?

My research has also led me to believe that tren amplifies the other compounds in the stack. So a low dose anavar could very well be amplified and as such deliver better results than taking it 20mg standalone. That said, the 20mg dose has been playing on my mind and I'm thinking of upping it to 30mg a day. (This will be my first time using Anavar too by the way.)

You obviously think I'm being too cautious/ "bang broek"?

I appreciate your input. Great forum this.

I help gladly. For me it's always about using the optimal dosage for your body, meaning finding that sweet spot where you get the most gains in trade for side effects you can live with, while keeping in mind that your receptors down-regulate on your next cycle and if you go flat out off the bat then you have nowhere to go for your next cycle. This is why for a first cycle I recommend 600g Test Cyp/En per week- it gives very high gains with low expectation of sides. I don't say 800mg Test because I find over 700mg there are lots of sides that become prominent and the difference in gains is very little if any. What would be horribly sad is going for 300mg per week and only gaining half of what you could have in the end, just because you were afraid of steroids because of what you hear via the grapevine and not from expert advice and research. Steroids are ridiculously powerful and as long as you respect them, research them and use them in a clever way they will be a most valuable ally. If you are scared of them then probably best not to use them because that's your brain's way of telling you you don't understand them enough.

Talking about Tren, since there aren't any human studies on Tren cycles we pretty much have to go by anecdotal experience from those willing to share, and make our best educated guess based on the pharmacology of the drug, but luckily we know very well the mechanism of action so we know what to expect. Also bear in mind because Tren is such a harsh compound people react very differently to it. Honestly some people are perfectly fine at high doses, while others get man-handled at medium doses, but almost everyone are fine at low dosages. The problem with low dosages are low results so ideally you want to start at a medium dosage which is normally where the optimal dosage lies, and see how you handle it. If you can't handle it then just reduce the dosage and given you use Tren Ace first cycle your blood levels will quickly drop and the horrible sides go away. Now you know Tren affects your body and for future cycles you plan accordingly. On the bright side if you handled Tren perfectly well at medium dosages then your next cycle you up the dose and see where the limit is. Massive gains to be had if you go about it in a clever way!

What I find is controlling estrogen is very important. Most people are fine at medium dosages given they use an AI on cycle, and low dosages have a solid effect with mostly zero or little sides. What the AI does is reduce estrogen, which means Prolactin keeps in check for all but those unlucky few. I recommend it in all cycles even for the first cycle.

An AI while on tren?
Oh, boi there goes my brain cells... xD

The guy just said he's 48 years old,not very big and you want him to run 600mg test? Recommending a medium dose of tren instead of starting with a low dose? 30mgs of anavar is more than enough to get some decent gains if you actually train hard and diet correctly. Sounds like you're trying to kill the man honestly.

Pyroclasm wrote:

Gee wrote: I'm 48 for starters and not a big guy by any stretch of the imagination. Not sure I want to be messing with Tren at high doseages. Insomnia, Night Sweats, Relationship Killer... think i'll stay low initially. Maybe 40mg every 3days?

My research has also led me to believe that tren amplifies the other compounds in the stack. So a low dose anavar could very well be amplified and as such deliver better results than taking it 20mg standalone. That said, the 20mg dose has been playing on my mind and I'm thinking of upping it to 30mg a day. (This will be my first time using Anavar too by the way.)

You obviously think I'm being too cautious/ "bang broek"?

I appreciate your input. Great forum this.

I help gladly. For me it's always about using the optimal dosage for your body, meaning finding that sweet spot where you get the most gains in trade for side effects you can live with, while keeping in mind that your receptors down-regulate on your next cycle and if you go flat out off the bat then you have nowhere to go for your next cycle. This is why for a first cycle I recommend 600g Test Cyp/En per week- it gives very high gains with low expectation of sides. I don't say 800mg Test because I find over 700mg there are lots of sides that become prominent and the difference in gains is very little if any. What would be horribly sad is going for 300mg per week and only gaining half of what you could have in the end, just because you were afraid of steroids because of what you hear via the grapevine and not from expert advice and research. Steroids are ridiculously powerful and as long as you respect them, research them and use them in a clever way they will be a most valuable ally. If you are scared of them then probably best not to use them because that's your brain's way of telling you you don't understand them enough.

Talking about Tren, since there aren't any human studies on Tren cycles we pretty much have to go by anecdotal experience from those willing to share, and make our best educated guess based on the pharmacology of the drug, but luckily we know very well the mechanism of action so we know what to expect. Also bear in mind because Tren is such a harsh compound people react very differently to it. Honestly some people are perfectly fine at high doses, while others get man-handled at medium doses, but almost everyone are fine at low dosages. The problem with low dosages are low results so ideally you want to start at a medium dosage which is normally where the optimal dosage lies, and see how you handle it. If you can't handle it then just reduce the dosage and given you use Tren Ace first cycle your blood levels will quickly drop and the horrible sides go away. Now you know Tren affects your body and for future cycles you plan accordingly. On the bright side if you handled Tren perfectly well at medium dosages then your next cycle you up the dose and see where the limit is. Massive gains to be had if you go about it in a clever way!

What I find is controlling estrogen is very important. Most people are fine at medium dosages given they use an AI on cycle, and low dosages have a solid effect with mostly zero or little sides. What the AI does is reduce estrogen, which means Prolactin keeps in check for all but those unlucky few. I recommend it in all cycles even for the first cycle.

honestly I've heard some horror stories of guys losing their jobs due to too high tren cycles, not because of the aggression but because of the lack of sleep and the high CNS environment causing people to crash, if I had to run tren while doing my actuarial exams rn i would defos be failing.

i don't think tren is worth it unless for contest prep because lets be honest, test is still gonna make more gains than tren... tren ain't worth the cosmetic effects, that's why we use var for this reason or shit like superdrol for short periods.

that's just how I approach my cycles but that's because I'm very into longevity lately as well.
300mg mini cycles will be less damaging than 700mg like recommended. however how many 1g test cycles can u blast before ur lipids are fucked, cardio is fucked etc, gotta be smart about it. pre bloods are important for this exact reason, to know what u can blast and risk or are even willing to.

I'm currently on 300mg test cyp a week, 30mg var a day and holy fuck I love every bit, my diet is great and my lifts are progressively going up with an LP, no fancy bs, plain simple basics. eat sleep train repeat.

will I look better with 300mg tren and some 300mg extra test, probably, am I going to regret it later when u lose all that tren veins and see it was just cosmetic in that moment, all that grainy gains, probably.

low dose test with an LP and a small caloric surplus can bring u quite far imo.

I'm on 200mg Test p/w myself, sometimes push it up to 300mg p/w for a few weeks and it's by far the best protocol I've used to date. Focusing primarily on training and nutrition and really satisfied with my progress.

admin wrote: I'm on 200mg Test p/w myself, sometimes push it up to 300mg p/w for a few weeks and it's by far the best protocol I've used to date. Focusing primarily on training and nutrition and really satisfied with my progress.

Ek doen presies dieselfde

Oupa wrote:

admin wrote: I'm on 200mg Test p/w myself, sometimes push it up to 300mg p/w for a few weeks and it's by far the best protocol I've used to date. Focusing primarily on training and nutrition and really satisfied with my progress.

Ek doen presies dieselfde

Ja, ons is slim mense.

Dankie manne.

Ek gaan maar hou by die 30mg var, 250mg test cyp en 120mg tren ace en sien hoe dit gaan.

admin wrote:

Oupa wrote:

admin wrote: I'm on 200mg Test p/w myself, sometimes push it up to 300mg p/w for a few weeks and it's by far the best protocol I've used to date. Focusing primarily on training and nutrition and really satisfied with my progress.

Ek doen presies dieselfde

Ja, ons is slim mense.

Plus we aren't spring chickens anymore. :lol:

Once you've built a good base you 100% don't need big doses to maintain good gains. But I think beginners with lots of growth potential definitely benefit more from moderately higher doses.

Muscleaddict wrote: Plus we aren't spring chickens anymore. :lol:

Once you've built a good base you 100% don't need big doses to maintain good gains. But I think beginners with lots of growth potential definitely benefit more from moderately higher doses.

Very true

Muscleaddict wrote:

admin wrote:

Oupa wrote:

admin wrote: I'm on 200mg Test p/w myself, sometimes push it up to 300mg p/w for a few weeks and it's by far the best protocol I've used to date. Focusing primarily on training and nutrition and really satisfied with my progress.

Ek doen presies dieselfde

Ja, ons is slim mense.

Plus we aren't spring chickens anymore. :lol:

Once you've built a good base you 100% don't need big doses to maintain good gains. But I think beginners with lots of growth potential definitely benefit more from moderately higher doses.

Been together as a team for ages, love you guys. Love and respect.

vladtheimpaler wrote: An AI while on tren?
Oh, boi there goes my brain cells... xD

In my post I explain why. Did you bother reading it?