Considering my first cycle

Hi everybody. So I've been waxing and waning about three years now on whether to start or not... And I've finally decided to take the plunge.

I've done a bunch of thinking and poking around, and I've decided on a stack of oral winny and dianabol. Dbol for the size and winny to mitigate the massive water issues.

I know I need to keep my liver and kidney safe so I got Tudca, Essential, and Milk Thistle. I'd do a inject cycle rather but I have a pathological fear of needles and its easier to disguise my use.

I just couldnt find any proper info on:

a. Can this combo work together? Will my feeling that the winny will sap the water from the dbol turn out legit? I know 40% of the size you gain is pure water, but that 60 is still tempting.
b. I know how my PCT should go, but in what doses/when do start taking Clomid or Nova WHILE you are on dbol... cause I reallllly don't want bitch tits.


Any insight or advice would be appreciated before I take the plunge.

Bro don't waste you time with that cycle. Rather use 250mg of test as your first cycle. Stacking 2 oral together is a crap idea unless you are competing. And you will never be able to disguise steroid use, sorry to tell you that. Get someone to jab you or use an insulin size needle to do your delts. If you are doing delts slap your delt first really hard so it stings and you won't feel the needle go in.

And real world results with dbol is probably 80% water and 20% gain.

And clomid won't do jack shit for estrogen control what so ever. You need to really do way more research on the steroid profiles to get a better understanding. Also milk thistle on cycle is a bad idea as it blocks androgen receptors. And trying to fix your over whilst doing damage to it at the same time is a silly idea, rather do the damage and fix afterwards.

See there's doing research... and then there's legit experience. Thanks for this... Any opinions on test-e vs test-c ? Your recommended dosage makes me think its the c or e you are recommending.

Shit, noob here... I replied wrong. Still your insight is invaluable. While I got you; what do you think of german volume training? I'm a hard gainer and my brother-in-law suggested it.

He also suggested I start with test lol, but I balked at the needle. Still, two jacked okes can't be wrong. He can be my needle-mate lol

I agree on the 250mg Test suggestion. You'll only fear needles until the first shot and then it will get better each time.

Post up your diet and your stats and I will tell you if you are a hard gainer or not. Probably you are an under eater vs hard gainer.

Test c and e are basically so similar in action it's a coin toss to be honest. I always go for the cyp personally.

Ive actually never used Dbol so cant comment on it but you are getting good advice regarding the first cycle on this forum. Keep an AI handy in case

The only reason I use test e is that there is a 300mg per ml from PGW which works out well for my TRT (0.5 ml per week) or cycle (1ml per week). A lot of people complain about PIP, I might just be lucky.

The advice on delt shots is also solid. My first few cycles were delt shots and its relatively easy and any "pain" is negligible. Most of the fear of pinning is not because of the pain factor but rather a mental barrier.

Agreed with Empire. Stay away from orals. Test only. And post your diet and split so that we have more info to work off of