First 2 cycles... need you thoughts

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21 Jul 2022 21:17 #228053 by ryandio
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Hi all and nice to meet you. I would like to start with my First bulking cycle and the idea Is to start with:

First cycle
Wk 1 to 12 - test e 500 mg per wk


Complete PCT

Any suggestions on oral to take to increase cycle effectiveness?


Second cycle After 6 months

Wk 1 to 12 - test e 500 mg per wk
Wk 1 to 12 - deca 200 mg per wk

Complete PCT



Thoughts?

I'm 40 - 90kg 15% bf -190cm tall

4 days a week workout

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22 Jul 2022 01:54 #228055 by Empire
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At 40 you would neer blood work done first.

What is your blood pressure like? What is your diet like? Give more details into your workouts?

I would run lower test and masteron as a first cycle to be honest. But I'd advise more once we get into the nitty grity of details above.

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22 Jul 2022 09:47 #228061 by ryandio
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first of all thanks for your quick reply....

i Workout since 4 years i was super skinny and now by body composition is a bit better :-)

In terms of blood, never had pressure issue (at the moment 120/80 mmHg) and last blood check (1 month ago) was perfect no issues, all values respecting the range.

Diet i think that i need support to better manage the cycle but i've seen in other post your suggestion.... maybe i'm wrong....

How can i cycle testo and masteron together? can you please give me details of qty per week and for how long?

About workout do you think it is better to train 2 muscle groups a day or just 1 day for 1 muscle group?

Meal 1
3 full eggs
30g whey protein
60g cream of rice
3 sweetners

Meal 2
30g whey protein
100g oats
3 sweetners

Meal 3
130g cooked chicken
240g cooked white rice
Half a cup cooked mixed veggies
30mls tomato sauce

Meal 4
30g whey protein
100g oats
3 sweetness
90g banana

Meal 5
150g cooked chicken
30g nola low fat salad cream
15ml nandos peri peri sauce
4 slices of sasko more slices brown bread

Meal 6
3 full eggs
3️0g cheddar cheese.

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22 Jul 2022 10:10 #228062 by Empire
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diet looks good, I like working an upper lower split so that you hit everything 2x a week, better for hypertrophy.

I personally would start you on 5mg per kg of body weight total for your first course. so that would look 5mg x 90kg. I wouldn't go up more. you can split it pretty much 200mg masteron E (cos it comes in a 200mg/ml) and then balance comes from the test. so 450mg total, and look at that testosterone cypionate comes in 250mg/ml. so you would need to take 1ml of masteron e. and 1ml of cypionate. a week for 15 weeks.

that's a good place to start, estrogen would be controlled, so water and blood pressure should be good, protein expression should be good. and then increase calories from carbs as you body weight goes up.

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22 Jul 2022 14:56 #228066 by ryandio
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Any idea about potential gains? i know that there are many factor infulencing the gains but i just want to know what is the potential behind that cycle. P.s. any suggestion on legit sources? thanks!

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22 Jul 2022 15:03 #228067 by Empire
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Bud its your first cycle, you could gain 6-10kg of good quality LBM IF you train hard, diet properly, don't drink, sleep enough and and and.

Upa is my go to brand, but you can't ask for sources here.

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22 Jul 2022 15:43 #228069 by ryandio
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Can i have UPA link?

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22 Jul 2022 15:44 #228070 by Empire
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Bud you can't ask for sources like that. You need to find on your own accord.

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22 Jul 2022 15:45 #228071 by ryandio
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Ok ok Sorry....

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22 Jul 2022 15:47 #228072 by ryandio
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Last question i promise... Following First cycle how long do i have to wait to start second cycle? For the second cycle It Is Better to change compounds? If yes what do you suggest?

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22 Jul 2022 16:03 - 22 Jul 2022 16:03 #228073 by 00pump
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Don't change something that works..

Time off = time on + PCT.

I would get the blood work, at 40 it's going to be pretty difficult getting your body firing back and you could go through a long "very low period", it may just be worth while moving to TRT to prevent that. Or maybe it's best not to shut yourself down now at all if you still enjoying life with how you feel, steroids might be the worst mistake you make.

"Whether You Think You Can or Can't, You're Right"--Henry Ford
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22 Jul 2022 16:07 - 22 Jul 2022 16:09 #228074 by Empire
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ryandio wrote: Last question i promise... Following First cycle how long do i have to wait to start second cycle? For the second cycle It Is Better to change compounds? If yes what do you suggest?


Get pre cycle blood work full blood count, liver kidney, testosterone panel e2 thyroid panel.

When you are 12 weeks in at the highet of drug use Get another panel done.

8 weeks post cycle test again to see where you are before, at the hight of drug use and how you recover.

If your pre cycle testosterone levels are shit, then you will be eligible for trt in-between cycles.
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22 Jul 2022 16:22 #228075 by Empire
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Also you don't even know how you are going to respond to the first cycle. Remember if you can't state the pros and cons of using each compound and know the reason for the use of each compound then you need alot of time reading and researching and learning.

Its like why do you do a hack squat in training, tell me the 3 reason why you do them and you can program them in. Same happens with drugs. There is a reason for using each specific compound. You need to know what the problem is and then when you will apply each drug.

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