4th Cycle - Sustanon + Turinabol

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25 Oct 2023 11:25 #229426 by Quin50
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Hi 
I am planning a 4th cycle after taking wrong advise in previous cycles and would like to check in with the experts before starting.
Any tips or tweaks will be much appreciated

Stats:
Male
Age: 26
Height: 183cm
Weight: 80kgs
BF%: about 11.9%

I have been training/lifting weights for 10 years 

Planned Cycle
Week 1-10 - Sustanon 350 - 0.5ml 2x per week
Week 1-6 - Turinabol 10mg per day
Week 12-14 Nolvadex 20-40mg per day as pct

Goal 
Lean Muscle Gain with minimum side effects

Previous Cycles
1st Cycle
Anavar 15mg/day - 50days (about 7 weeks)

2nd Cycle 
Sust 350 - 2ml/week 10 weeks
Equipoise 320 - 2ml per week 10 weeks
Anavar 15mg per day 6 weeks
Nolvadex 30mg per day pct

3rd cycle 
I started on max bulk 600 at wrong dose of 2ml/week and stopped the cycle at 4 weeks when side effects started
Used Nolvadex at 30mg per day after 

Thank you in advance for any feedback and tips


 

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25 Oct 2023 16:26 #229427 by Empire
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You would have wasted your time running pct directly after your course finishes.

You have to wait 4-5x the longest half life for substances to clear the system otherwise you are trying to push the accelerator whilst having your foot on the brake and wonder why you are standing still.

So looking at this, you are the guy who used max bulk and got gyno side effects. That rules out using 19nor substances.

Also using more than 3mg per kg of Testosterone is most likely driving up estrogen and water retention and blood pressure not to mention phlebotic changes such as increasing rbc and hemoglobin thus increasing hematocrit. Adding in a substance known to drive up rbc like Equipoise (as it is from the same Testosterone derivative family) is just a chance of thicken of the blood drastically.

I would change your approach completely.

I would use dht substances with a Testosterone base. Your Testosterone dosing stays constant for 16 weeks at 3mg per kg. So yes you would start and finish on roughly 250mg Testosterone. I would then work up to 10mg/kg total of all substances over 8 weeks, and then stay at that dose for 8 weeks then come off.

So i would go for a masteron e base.

So you would do it as follows.

Week 1-3
250mg test
160mg masteron e

Week 4-6
250mg Test
300mg masteron e

Week 7-8
250mg test
400mg masteron e

Week 8-16
250mg test
400mg masteron e
15-20mg anavar daily.

That will give you lean solid results, wont give you any form of water retention or estrogen related issues and it will mean no gyno or need for an AI.

That coupled with a diet where you are at about 3450 kcal on training days, and 3000kcal on off days or 3200kcal everyday(no changing of macros)will result in your lean gains approach.
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25 Oct 2023 21:05 #229439 by Quin50
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Thank you for your reply
What would be a sufficient pct on your recommended cycle?

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25 Oct 2023 21:34 #229445 by Empire
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Waiting 6 weeks post last injection, and getting blood work and see where your hormones are, then look at pct from there. The pct 3 on this site is pretty extensive, and if you cant find it on the site email admin and he will put you in the right direction for it.
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26 Oct 2023 08:26 #229447 by Quin50
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Thanks for your help

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