Advice Needed Please

Hi Guys, I wish I had found this forum earlier.
I'm a 36 year old male 1.83cm 

In my younger years I was always a skinny guy not able to build muscle easily around 73-78kg. But in later years the dad bod set in,still no muscle but the belly,dubble chin and love handels came in 's time to do something about it with a workout diet and steroids.

So I started eating clean and high protein for the first 8week cycle With a Blend 
Test :525 mg,
Deca:200mg,
TrenE:100mg 
30mg Dianabol on workout days     

I had basically no side effects regarding Anger,Acne or Gyno and feeling pretty good while on cycle except around week 8 E.D or Deca Dick started setting in

For the first time in my life I could see the muscles coming in went from 83kg to 89kg but still carrying a high body fat.
So I decided to do another 8 week cycle to try to build more with the plan being to do a cutting cycle just in time for summer PCT and be done for the year.

I am now on week 11 in total still at 89kg, Have seen minimal gains in the last 3 weeks and the E.D has set in properly now.    

I have been getting mostly bro advice from youtube and 'm so glad to have found a local forum.
Some would say I should have used Deca on the first cycle and Tren on the second others will say they are both Nor-19 compounds and therefore it would not matter.

So I'm looking to continue building for another cycle and then finish off with a cutting cycle. Can someone please advise on compounds to use Trenbolone,Masteron,Boldenone or Primobolans  
E.D is the only side effect I have. I'm looking to avoid using Deca 
It seems I can Handel 500mg of test a week

I Already have  Anavar 20x50 that I was planning on using on the last cycle. Also clomid 25x50 and nolvadex 10x50 for PCT 

first off, if you are looking for compounds to "cut with" you are in for a disappointing time, there are no real steroids that increase fat burning directly, tren does but through different mechanisms of action and thyroid interaction.

firstly Dianabol is a shit compound to use, it converts to estrogen at a high rate, and with 500mg of test, you are in the same boat. your estrogen is probably through the roof at this point.

combining deca and tren, welcome to progesterone and prolactin heaven and you can bang you dick in the door and it still won't work.

you won't be able to tell what you can "Handle" without blood tests and the majority of people are going to get estrogen-related issues with testosterone/testosterone-derived compounds higher than 3mg per kg.

you have jumped in the deep end of the ocean, let alone the pool and do not even have a life raft, because even if you drop the deca and the tren you are in for 50 days before the compounds have LEFT THE SYSTEM.

tren dick is just as common as deca dick as they are both 19nor substances.

your best bet is to stop what you are running completely, drop your test down to 3mg per kg (250mg per week) add in the Anavar for the next couple of weeks, and then do your research properly for the next course you do.

you have neglected to give us any information regarding diet and calorie intake, which is most likely why you haven't lost body fat.

just let it be known, i despise tren and the last time i used tren at 50mg per week in a contest prep,i dropped it because its just a shit substance to use.

testosterone, boldenone, tbol, Dianabol are all from the testosterone family of drugs, they all do things similarly to testosterone, and either one of those, or a combination of the drugs here should in total, not exceed 3mg per kg per week.

your course of steroids should always be dosed on your body weight. your bodyweight of 90kgs, with a decent dose at 10mg per kg at peak dosing, would be 900mg, of 3mg of that comes from testosterone, or testosterone derived substances or a combination of those.

so the balance of the 650mg would need to come from other substances, you know that you cant use deca or tren now because of the sexual side effects so that rules out 19nor compounds. which leaves you running DHT compounds such as masteron or primo.

so you will start your course at 5mg per kg, and titrate up over 8 weeks to get to peak dosing of 900mg per week which you can run for 8 weeks.

you don't start your course of anabolics at peak dosing.

testosterone, boldenone, tbol, Dianabol are all from the testosterone family of drugs, they all do things similarly to testosterone, and either one of those, or a combination of the drugs here should in total, not exceed 3mg per kg per week.

your course of steroids should always be dosed on your body weight. your bodyweight of 90kgs, with a decent dose at 10mg per kg at peak dosing, would be 900mg, of 3mg of that comes from testosterone, or testosterone derived substances or a combination of those.

so the balance of the 650mg would need to come from other substances, you know that you cant use deca or tren now because of the sexual side effects so that rules out 19nor compounds. which leaves you running DHT compounds such as masteron or primo.

so you will start your course at 5mg per kg, and titrate up over 8 weeks to get to peak dosing of 900mg per week which you can run for 8 weeks.

you don't start your course of anabolics at peak dosing.

- Empire

I see your still on the ball and preaching what you've been preaching since day 1. I honestly think you are one of the best coaches out there. The people asking questions will never know what type of legend you are.

For the first time in my life I could see the muscles coming in went from 83kg to 89kg but still carrying a high body fat.
So I decided to do another 8 week cycle to try to build more with the plan being to do a cutting cycle just in time for summer PCT and be done for the year.

- Bobby072

 From what I've noticed online, if users continue rushing for the "kick" from anabolic drugs then they'll never make LONG LASTING gains.
A lot of addicts run to steroids to get a different "kick" out of drugs from what they are used to.
What they forget is that testosterone levels is correlated to aggression, violence, mania etc.
News flash (Its all water dude, its just swelling in the muscle, the kick you're "feeling" in the gym is the Androgens reducing Nervous System Fatigue)
The growth of that muscle came from discipline in fueling, training and resting your muscles.

I'm not saying that ur an addict, but rather pointing out that ur on a HIGHWAY TO HELL cycle.

I'd advise to read a bit more, get off cycle. Read Empire's journey and advice cause all of it is relevant. From diet to even training like a gigachad.

My 2 cents even though I'm know very little, is climb off the deca, fuck deca, tren ? do you want to be a raging psychopath ? chuck the bottle in the bin.

I think if people shifted to "up 4kgs in 20 weeks with a drop in BF" from the classical "deca made me gain 12kgs in 3 weeks" then we would have more individuals KEEPING gains.

Patience is key.

Response of the year - HAHA
Empire - combining deca and tren, welcome to progesterone and prolactin heaven and you can bang you dick in the door and it still won't work.

HAHA Crazy truth !

Oupa wrote:

Response of the year - HAHA
Empire - combining deca and tren, welcome to progesterone and prolactin heaven and you can bang you dick in the door and it still won't work.

HAHA Crazy truth !
 

lets be honest, we've all thought this was a good idea? Untill its like trying to push a piece of cooked, wet spaghetti into a hole... 

Empire, fact, 100% agreed but the way you said that was brilliant haha

Good Day Gentlemen


Thank you so much for all your responses even though I did not reply immediately I did read them and took the advice to heart,I wanted to wait until I I had some feedback to give.

So I continued for the cycle for another week and a half until I could get new gear in. I took the test down to 325 with masteron 200 and Anavar 20mg on workout days ( Also got Winstrol 50 injectable to be used later). I'm planning to keep the masteron at 200 for 2 weeks then move to 400 for 4 weeks and then re-evaluate.   

First of all, thank you my dick has not had this much attention in years.I'm pleased to report that I took him for a ride yesterday and he set a new PR. Must have been the  was not that it wont work at all but that an erection would just spontaneously disappear. and dropping the 19 Nor compounds seems to have resolved the problem.I'm Going to leave it there with the bedroom talk.

Thank you Empire for the advice to try the masteron. I will see how it does and let you know since I cant use 19 Nor compounds. It seems it is pretty much one of the compounds I can use, Regarding Diet I do not have enough knowledge to calculate the calories and stuff yet. I will be looking into that in the coming weeks. What I can tell you is my supplements were geard towards gaining mass muscle and I was trying to keep the protein up. I will now be moving to lean muscle along with the weights I have been adding cardio.
  
Jacktuary thank you for your concern regarding mania rage and psychopathic  of E.D I had no negative side effects regarding personality traits,acne,hair growth els I would gotten of a long time ago.I Understand most of the muscle is superficial that's why I'm continuing to try and build more my concern was when progress started slowing down on the second vial but I think I found the  and explains why the gains slowed down.I'm Just happy to have some results thus far because if I just got fit I probably would have been 75-78kg lean and no muscle.

Regarding the Body Fat I got myself a Omron Scale not sure how accurate it is:
Weight: 88KG
Body Fat %: 26.2
BMI:26.3
Muscle:31.9%

I Started running to add to the cardio 
Week1: did 7km in 2 runs 
Week2: did 10Km in 3 runs  
Last Run:4km 27m:36s Avg Heart rate 162

Thank You for your previous responses please let me know if you have any thoughts on the anavar doses not sure to take every day or just on workout days ... 
   

Ok you said youve taken the advice to heart, but when I put the quote I gave you down below, it doesnt seem like you have?

"your best bet is to stop what you are running completely, drop your test down to 3mg per kg (250mg per week) add in the Anavar for the next couple of weeks, and then do your research properly for the next course you do."

But here you put in

"So I continued for the cycle for another week and a half until I could get new gear in. I took the test down to 325 with masteron 200 and Anavar 20mg on workout days ( Also got Winstrol 50 injectable to be used later). I'm planning to keep the masteron at 200 for 2 weeks then move to 400 for 4 weeks and then re-evaluate. "

Honestly, come off the gear you have and run of 250mg test for the next 8 weeks, figure out your diet, and your calories and everything, wait for all the substances to clear and then plot a proper 16 week course.

You are planning to run 10mg per kg multiple weeks on end and you are going to run into complications long term.


"Regarding Diet I do not have enough knowledge to calculate the calories and stuff yet. I will be looking into that in the coming weeks. What I can tell you is my supplements were geard towards gaining mass muscle and I was trying to keep the protein up. I will now be moving to lean muscle along with the weights I have been adding cardio."

Just because you have mass written on the bottle or bulk or what ever adjective you want, doesnt mean you are going to gain that.

Remember there are 2 things that really grow muscle. 1 is milligrams, and the other is calories. And if you have no idea about the calories part, you are wasting your milligrams. So by all means, taking mass gainers and not using a scale to measure out your food daily and having what ever to gain bulk or mass, is like saying you want to save money but never adjusting your spending or looking at your bank balance.