Considering First Cycle

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19 Aug 2024 19:20 #229944 by James Fitness
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I’ve been training since I was 19 (33 now) 

Current stats : 
Weight 94kg
Bodyfat 14%
Heigh 1.91 M 

I’m at an age now where I always said I will try a cycle atleast once. 

My preferred compound will be EU Pharma 250, 0.5ml twice a week. 
I would like to keep it basic for the first one. Goal is just to gain some size. I’m not keen on adding dbol. 

pct will be clomid. Is hcg advised ?

current calories is 3500 per day.

any advice for a first time?

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19 Aug 2024 20:51 #229945 by DKSA
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I would do bloods to see what your Tot Test, Free test, SHBG, E2 are now before diving in so you can know whether you make full recoveries from your PCT's going forward...Maybe you find out your test is lower than expected and opt for TRT...only way to know is to test!

But in general, you should also check Heart health, liver and kidney function, lipogram, FBC, CRP, ApoB, Blood pressure before kicking off.

Use HCG during the cycle to keep the leydig cells stimulated for an easier recovery.

I think the gold standard for PCT is still Clomiphene and Tamoxifen if I am not mistaken,

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20 Aug 2024 04:46 #229947 by James Fitness
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Thank you for the information. I intend to go for blood tests this Friday

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21 Aug 2024 09:01 #229948 by Empire
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Goes against what we usually tote to be honest, but my first course suggestion would be running orals and 2 orals at the same time.

The rule to go with orals is your weight in kgs is maximum daily dose, and your weight in kgs is maximum length of orals

I would start with 3mg x your body weight in kgs per per week of oral turinabol. So for you 300mg per week /7 days is +/- 40mg per day. You can get away with 30mg per day.

Because turinabol is a testosterone derived substance it does all the things that testosterone does bar conversion to estrogen.

Then i woild start at 2mg per kg of anavar per week. Going up to 3mg per kg per week after 3 weeks, and then 4mg per kg per week for 3 weeks and then 5mg per kg for 4 weeks.

Not the most budget friendly first course, but using a brand like upa will give you 15mg tabs vs 10mg tabs.

There is a synergy between anavar and tbol, which gives you massive strength gains as well as some fat loss as well as no water retention.

Minimal negative effects for a first course such as gyno either.

75% of the gain should be maintained after the course.

I would also increase food intake to 3800 from the start.
95g of fat, 250g protein balance of carbs.

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21 Aug 2024 10:12 #229950 by James Fitness
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Thanks. I value your input. From what I read you are The most knowledgeable.

Any specific reason for orals instead of test only ?

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21 Aug 2024 11:48 #229951 by Empire
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Ease of use, and mitigation of risk with compound selection.

Thanks bro.

Ive been coaching athletes for about 16 years now, and i find that for a first time course the best thing to do is use decent anabolic agents that are 1 going to drive up motor neuron learning (dht derivatives such as anavar) give you lean gains interms of low water retention(tbol and anavar) enhance bodyfat loss(anavar) and also give you decent strength without any issues with estrogen(tbol).

And there is a synergy between the 2 of them combined.

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21 Aug 2024 15:58 #229953 by James Fitness
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Thank you.

What is recommended for liver protection and pct for a cycle like this ?

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21 Aug 2024 18:39 #229954 by Empire
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As long as you dont exceed the dosing recommendations i suggested in my first reply you shouldn't need anything for liver but tudca is a good addition.

Im not a fan of pct UNLESS YOU HAVE NOT RECOVERED AT LEAST IN A PERIOD OF 10X THE LONGEST HALF LIFE tested via bloods.

You will bounce back after a course like this in no time without pct.

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