General questions and advice on 2nd cycle

Hi everyone, warning - long post incoming.  First some background: I'm turning 42 in two months and I just work out for my own benefit.  I'm looking to keep (and possibly add to) the size I have as I get older while keeping my fat levels in check. I worked out at university but my recent training history is the following, starting from when I let myself go in my 20's:

Age: 30
BW: 113kg
Fat: 35%

Age: 38
BW: 82kg
Fat: 11%

I recently did my first cycle:
weekly: 100mg test cyp + 280mg anavar (20+20 daily) for a total of 380mg per week for 10 weeks (the first 2 weeks was a mix of test cyp and mast prop, but the regular injections played havoc with my body).  I ate around maintenance and managed to go up by about 2kg while dropping fat by around 3%.  My current stats are:

Age: 41
BW: 104
Fat: 18%

I completed my 36 days downtime and started pct 1 today.

This brings me to my first question. How long after I complete the protocol can I start my next cycle, can I start immediately?

Then my next question relates to my 2nd cycle.  Since I'm not looking to blow up, I'm considering eating in a slight deficit to cut more fat while keeping or perhaps adding a bit of muscle.  I'm considering the test + dianabol cycle.

Would this be a good cycle, or should I pair the test with anavar again for a cut?

I understand the concept of frontloading with orals while the longer ester of the test kicks in, but why does it then end after 25 days?  Surely you are cutting your total weekly anabolics by half for the latter stages of the cycle, or is this to be able to extend the cycle for longer while trying to keep the unwanted effects as low as possible?

Thanks!
 

Very few follow the recommended time on + PCT = time off advice. It's hard to wait. but if you want to avoid needing TRT in the future that is what you should do. It's impossible to recover within a month or so after PCT after a 10 week cycle., no matter what your initial bloodwork after PCT shows.

You can bulk on any steroid. With your stats and goals I'd recommend sticking with a DHT based oral along with 300mg Test. Anavar, or winstrol (love winstrol) otherwise enanthate version of masteron or primo the whole way through the cycle. On Dbol you're going to gain more fat as its estrogenic, and you're already at 18% which isn't bad but not ideal. You can bulk on any steroids - its about caloric intake.

My favourite mild bulking stack would probably be Test + NPP along with 30mg winny+20mg anavar towards the end. 

Orals are very liver toxic. 10 weeks of dbol or winny at 50mg is very harsh. Anavar less so.

hi, thanks for the advice on the cycle, i do have a question though on what you said concerning downtime. are you saying that after the recommended downtime based on the ester and then the pct protocol, there should be another month of downtime before starting the next cycle? 

daddio wrote:

hi, thanks for the advice on the cycle, i do have a question though on what you said concerning downtime. are you saying that after the recommended downtime based on the ester and then the pct protocol, there should be another month of downtime before starting the next cycle? 

If the duration from the start of your cycle to the end of PCT is 18 weeks you should ideally stay off cycle for another 18 weeks or more before starting the next cycle. Time on + PCT = Time off

Muscleaddict wrote:

Very few follow the recommended time on + PCT = time off advice. It's hard to wait. but if you want to avoid needing TRT in the future that is what you should do. It's impossible to recover within a month or so after PCT after a 10 week cycle., no matter what your initial bloodwork after PCT shows.

You can bulk on any steroid. With your stats and goals I'd recommend sticking with a DHT based oral along with 300mg Test. Anavar, or winstrol (love winstrol) otherwise enanthate version of masteron or primo the whole way through the cycle. On Dbol you're going to gain more fat as its estrogenic, and you're already at 18% which isn't bad but not ideal. You can bulk on any steroids - its about caloric intake.

My favourite mild bulking stack would probably be Test + NPP along with 30mg winny+20mg anavar towards the end. 

Orals are very liver toxic. 10 weeks of dbol or winny at 50mg is very harsh. Anavar less so.
 

as much as I love this idea, depending on the goal of the course, I'm tending to shy away from orals more and more, unless dieting down to low level body fat due to killing the appetite. 

Empire wrote:

Muscleaddict wrote:

Very few follow the recommended time on + PCT = time off advice. It's hard to wait. but if you want to avoid needing TRT in the future that is what you should do. It's impossible to recover within a month or so after PCT after a 10 week cycle., no matter what your initial bloodwork after PCT shows.

You can bulk on any steroid. With your stats and goals I'd recommend sticking with a DHT based oral along with 300mg Test. Anavar, or winstrol (love winstrol) otherwise enanthate version of masteron or primo the whole way through the cycle. On Dbol you're going to gain more fat as its estrogenic, and you're already at 18% which isn't bad but not ideal. You can bulk on any steroids - its about caloric intake.

My favourite mild bulking stack would probably be Test + NPP along with 30mg winny+20mg anavar towards the end. 

Orals are very liver toxic. 10 weeks of dbol or winny at 50mg is very harsh. Anavar less so.

 

as much as I love this idea, depending on the goal of the course, I'm tending to shy away from orals more and more, unless dieting down to low level body fat due to killing the appetite. 

so what kind of moderate cycle would you recommend empire?  also, could you tell me why the dbol/test sample cycle drops the dbol to only run test at half the total anabolics?

Test and masteron e..or test and primo.

Peak dosing of 10mg per kg.

Testosterone stays and 3mg per kg.

Start at 2mg primo/masteron and titrate up over 8 weeks to peak dosing..

Stay at peak for 8 weeks, then come off.

Eg week 1+ 2
3mg per kg test
2mg per kg mast/primo

Week 3+4
3mg per kg test
4mg per kg primo mast

Week 5+ 6

3mg per kg test
6mg per kg primo mast

Week 7-16
3mg per kg test
7mg per kg primo or mast.

And not sure about the sample cycles.i didn't write them.

I don't use dbol, shit substance as little benefit vs risk.

I might be a rookie, but is 10mg/kg a mild cycle? that seems like a lot.

after looking at the places i know of, the highest dosing of mast i was able to find was 200mg/ml. that would mean for 3,5ml for a 700mg dose.

since i was on 400mg total anabolics in my first cycle, would 300mg test for the 16 weeks, plus 8 weeks of 200mg mast and another 8 weeks of 400mg mast still get me decent results? i'm just worried about going too hard too fast

Well if 3mg is upper end or sports trt/hrt dosing.

And you did 400mg at let's say 90kgs previously that put you at 4.5mg per kg..

You can go up to 7mg per kg total if you like.

Beginner is 5-7mg, Intermediate 8-15mg per kg, and then advanced pro can be like 16-30mg per kg.

I am currently in my off-season and going up to 1500mg per week (14mg per kg @108kgs).

Most contest preps I do I am 10-13mg per kg.

And yes 200mg masteron per ml is upper limit. And that's 3.5mg. I am on my up to 6mls a week. 2mls +0.3mls test e 3x a week.

If you look at the sample cycle, you would need to inject 250mg every 5 days, which would equate to 350mg every 7 days. Plus 40mg of dianabol per day, that's 240mg per week, that's 600mg per week.

You can do as you please, but you did ask me how I would do it, and that is the answer I gave. If you want to go lower dose because you feel safer doing so then that's great.

Masteron is a pretty mild compound so that's not that hectic.

You will see some intermediate courses have you doing 500mg of test 300mg deca and 200mg masteron from start to finish, but I don't like starting at peak dosing nor do I like high test, max I will go is pretty much 4mg per kg when Low estrogen symptoms occur when body fat is very low.