Newbie thinking on going on fifty going on first cycle

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08 Jun 2025 20:31 #230390 by Pieter_Vos
I need some advice as I'm a relative newbie here.
First off, just some personal onfo and history. I've started gong onto TRT 18 moths ago after getting tested. My Score was 280 ng/dL. The endocronologist put my on DHEA, DHT Blockers, Vitamiin D (5000mg) and magnesium, and small amounts af aromatise inhibitors taken weekly. He put me om 100mg of phrama grade Test per week.. Afer a few months I did bloodwork and it my T tested in the upper acceptable range. 
So after consulting Chat GPT for some advice (as one do), A asked what a good cycle would be for me to gain some muscle. I'm currently at 10% body fat, colesterol at 4,2, and realtively fit. Slighly low blood pressure,
Chat GPT is Suggesting 500mg T per week for 12 months wit a comprehensive PCT program afterwards to maintain the gains. Also blood works at the beginning ,half way and a t the end,  I'll priorise protien throughout and maitnain a calorie surplus . Any dangers I should be aware of? Any advice would be appreciated as a do still want to life long happy life:)
Another random question. After the cycle, should i go back onto normal TRT or go off completely with the PCT program. Or juts taper down to 100g per week? 
I know this is a mouth full. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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09 Jun 2025 16:38 - 09 Jun 2025 16:43 #230391 by Empire
hold on, DHT blocker( finasteride?) and arimadex? Why on earth would he do that for 100mg of testosterone usage? Taking finasteride can affect the testosterone: estrogen ratio and can 1 cause permanent libido loss not to mention gyno (ask ChatGPT about post-finasteride syndrome), and then he is still tanking estrogen on top of that? fuuuuck.

What is your current weight, current daily diet, and current training program? I would also like to see those bloods that you got done.
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09 Jun 2025 19:25 #230392 by Pieter_Vos
These are all prescribed by a well known endocrinologists????

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09 Jun 2025 19:44 #230393 by Pieter_Vos
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I've been on 100gTRT for about a year. I really would like to hit it hard over the next 12-16 months, so I'm looking for the max gear I can take safely. Any recommendation or guidance would be appreciated. Like I said, I'm 47, 80 kg, 184mm tall and about 10% body fat. I'm relatively fit. I ideally would not want to do any permanent or minimal damage. Any advice or just pointing me in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.

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09 Jun 2025 19:52 #230394 by Pieter_Vos
Current weight: 80kg
Current height: 184mm
Current training program: weight 3 times a week. 5 Exercises, 5 set each after warn-up
- Shoulders, chest, delts
- Back, Core, biceps
2 Days Cardio3 min max IIT (mostly cycling)
Diet – chicken breast and eggs mostly with lots of bnans and apples.
Hope this helps.

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09 Jun 2025 22:54 - 09 Jun 2025 22:56 #230396 by SamZ4000
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Test/masteron or test/primo are your milder componds at your age.

Max dosage at your bw i will go for 8mg (8*80) 640mg/wk total
Dosage on test will now be at 3x your body weight 240mg/wk throughout.
Then the balance will be masteron or primo (400mg/wk)

Duration can be 16weeks, working your way up to max dosing.
wk1-3 test 240mg/wk mast/primo 100mg/wk
wk4-6 test 240mg/wk mast/primo 200mg/wk
wk7-8 test 240mg/wk mast/primo 300mg/wk
wk9*16 test 240mg/wk mast/primo 400mg/wk

Food intake will be +- 3000cals 
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10 Jun 2025 04:30 - 10 Jun 2025 04:35 #230397 by Empire

Current weight: 80kg
Current height: 184mm
Current training program: weight 3 times a week. 5 Exercises, 5 set each after warn-up
- Shoulders, chest, delts
- Back, Core, biceps
2 Days Cardio3 min max IIT (mostly cycling)
Diet – chicken breast and eggs mostly with lots of bnans and apples.
Hope this helps.



 
here is your issue.

Training is probably not monitored and tracked, diet is clearly under eating.

You need proper programming before a ton of gear..

Please do not start with sam4000s advice. 8mg per kg is a more than you need to take in this situation and also looking at your diet, to jump right in at 3000kcal a day, you are in for fat gain. Work out your proper calories by logging your food intake for a week on cronometer or fat secret and we can go from there.

You need to come off the finasteride and arimadex for a month, and then get new blood work done, see where your testosterone to estrogen ratio is, you need to dial in your diet, start logging food, tracking exercises progression, possibly change from 3 days to 4 days to better establish what you are doing. Start recording your exercises to see the form and intensity. Have a set gym program that's tailored for you that you can track and manage.

Once youve done this for a month, we can start by doubling your test dosage and adding 100mg of masteron into the mix and see where you go after 8 weeks, get test and estrogen values pulled again to see where the upper limit of your test is to your estrogen.

We need estrogen for good igf1 production and we need enough testosterone to convert to dht to drive aggression and muscle growth. Right now, you are suppressing both those factors and limiting muscle gain, so to throw you right on to 8mg per kg for your first course isnt needed.
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15 Jun 2025 11:04 #230402 by Pieter_Vos
Thanks so much for this and going through the trouble of explaining! Much appreciated. I always grateful your advice

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15 Jun 2025 11:18 #230403 by Pieter_Vos
I'm just concerned about hair loss, hence the DHT blocker. The endocrinologist also said that it helps to prevent prostate cancer.

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15 Jun 2025 11:28 #230404 by Pieter_Vos
Also, just a last note. My Libido is almost zero and my mood terrible. Could this have anything to do with the DHT and aromatise inhibitors?

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15 Jun 2025 12:00 #230405 by admin

Also, just a last note. My Libido is almost zero and my mood terrible. Could this have anything to do with the DHT and aromatise inhibitors?

Oh yes, absolutely! Empire did inform you above, when the quack that prescribed them to you obviously did not.

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15 Jun 2025 16:46 #230406 by Pieter_Vos
I'm on 2.5 mg DHT blockers per day and one Stradexa tablet every week. There are also similar topical DHT-blocking products available that affect the scalp but with much lower systemic absorption.
Anyway, I think I'm going to take 'Empires' and 'admin's advice. I'll get a blood test on Tuesday just to see where I'm at. Again, I appreciate all the feedback.

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16 Jun 2025 06:37 - 16 Jun 2025 06:51 #230407 by Empire
Please stop calling them dht blockers and use their trade name because there are 2 different ones that fall into this category, finasteride or dutasteride. And knowing which one you are on is more important. Also 1mg of anastrozole per week for a 100mg of test. Fml.

Your doctor has been too proactive instead of reactive. Testosterone needs to convert to dht and estrogen, dht drives muscle growth, estrogen drives libido and joint health and healthy cholesterol, also when estrogen is tanked you do not get great igf1 production, so if you were taking growth hormone you would be wasting that.

Your body produces between 5 and 15mg of testosterone per day pretty much.

So you didnt have hair loss/estrogen issues on your natural production, and you are replacing that production and you are now basically saying a new mole has grown im going to start chemotherapy and radiation because it might be cancer instead of saying it might be a dark freckle due to being in the sun and having a tan.

REACTIVE INSTEAD OF PROACTIVE. I just hope to god you dont have permanent libido loss from the finasteride.

Stop protecting the hair that hasn't even fallen out yet. Fuck sakes. Majority of the time hair loss from low dose test is due to lack of blood flow to the scalp and inflammation which can be fixed with derma rolling and curcumin.
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16 Jun 2025 06:40 #230408 by Empire

I'm just concerned about hair loss, hence the DHT blocker. The endocrinologist also said that it helps to prevent prostate cancer.
 
which is funny that there is no studies done to say that testosterone increaes risk of prostate cancer, and if you are worried about benign prostate hyperplasia take 5mg of cialis daily.

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22 Jul 2025 12:14 #230494 by Pieter_Vos
Hi:)
I just wanted to give you some feedback and also say thank you again for your advice.
I made these changes 5 weeks ago:
The DHT I'm on is finasteride. I halved the dose to 1.25mg per day. I stopped all aromatase inhibitors. I started a weight training programme coupled with HIIT cardio (alternating weight training days and cardio days.) My daily calorie intake is around 2700. I'm also taking Creatine HCL 5mg per day. 
I'm taking 200mg Test Cyp and 100mg Primo per week injected twice a week.
So far so good. My strength has increased significantly. I haven't experienced any major side effects from stopping the aromatase inhibitors or halving the finasteride. No acne or nipple sensitivity.
I've put on about 5kg - I'm assuming a lot of this is water retention.My Hemoglobin is at: 18.5 g/dL. I'm going to donate blodd this weekend.
 
 

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