Fat loss boost.

Guys hi,

Some help please...

Over the last 7 months I've dropped weight (fat) from really gross 131kg's to a still really gross 102kg's (Shirt size went down from 4XL to XL and trousers down from 122cm to 97cm) I have no idea what the BF loss was as the Virgin Active BF machine is, well a challenge.

I've recently used a 2 week cycle of HEAT and then a 2 week cycle of Clen (Without Ketotifen) Waited a month and now back on the 2 week HEAT cycle. What can I use other than 5 days weight and 6 day cardio training to speed up the fat loss?

Can I use say HEAT (or any other product) at the same time as Clen with Ketotifen? I like the HEAT because of the extra energy it gives, I assume its from the Ephadrine.

Thanks guys.

CB

well first of all well done on your initial fat loss bro,its good to hear guys doing something about their waist line....

ok when cycling heat and clen u dont need to take time off if u are doing 2 weeks heat 2 weeks clen,once u have finished each 2 week cycle u go straight into using the other product. so u can continuously go 2weeks clen,2weeks heat,2weeks clen,2weeks heat so on and so forth...you can add ketofin as it will keep your receptors firing all the time as u will get downgrade from both products so adding ketofin will only be benefitial to you.

look at changing your diet inorder to boost that fat loss. how long are your cardio sessions bud,i am seeing that u are training 5-6days continuosly and u might start suffering from over training which will slow that fat loss down and hinder muscle gain. your first plan of attack is to add muscle as u will look a lot better with more muscle on your frame under that fat and with the muscle gain the fat loss will be accelerated as u will need more energy to maintain the muscle u have put on....

what does your training split look like and what type and duration of cardio have u been doing?

Hey Dj, read www.steroid.com/Clenbuterol.php

Since we´re speaking about beta-receptors and upregulation, here, let me address the claim that you can use ephedrine (or the ECA stack), alternating with clen, in order to avoid receptor downgrade. I´m not sure where this rumor came from, but it is totally incorrect.

To dispel this myth, lets examine ephedrine for a second. Remember when I said that using clenbuterol to stimulate the beta-2 receptors is like hitting a tack with a hammer? Well, Ephedrine is like a sledge-hammer, it hits the beta-2´s and everything around them. That´s because it´s not selective, but rather it stimulates other receptors to a great degree as well.

Anyway, one of those receptors that ephedrine hits is the Beta-2 (yeah...the same one as Clen). As you can see from the graph below (ephedrine is represented by the the solid circles), it reduced Beta-2-AndrenergicReceptor (what we call, in laymens terms, the "Beta-2 receptor") levels to 32% of the control level after 24 hours. Read this again:

Ephedrine, in this study, reduces Beta-2 receptor levels to 32% of control after 24 hours.

According to A Roberts, you need to take Ketotifen to sort out the receptors. Cycling Eph and Clen wont stop the down-regulating.

Dj howzit.

5 days a week weight training - based on Max-OT
6 days a week cardio for 20 min HIT. I do cardio before I do my weight training and then on Saturday I just do cardio.
On the diet I use call it the body for life diet but take in more protein thant BFL suggests. I also take Whey after weight training and pure protein before bed time. Also no carbs after 7pm.

I agree with the build muscle approach and have been doing that for some time now. Also because I really HATE cardio

ok well there is your first fault bro. cardio drains u of energy hence u might be feeling a bit buggered during your weights session. i would do this if i where u : either

do cardio in the morning 8 hours before weight training or
do cardio post work out.

cardio post work out is the better option when only training once a day seeing that you will have more energy to push heavier weights and have a nice intense work out and what this does is it will deplete glycogen stores in the muscle so when u start doing your cardio your glycogen is stores are already depleted from the work out your body will most likely tap into fat stores for energy.... so keep the training split and doing the cardio post work out would be your best bet. keep your weekend off from training and cardio u will need 2days to recover properly...

Ok and then just use Clen with Ketitofen?

keep on cycling heat and clen with continuous use of ketofin.

I'm also seriously considering a oral anabolic cycle? Your feelings on that?

djeasye wrote:

keep on cycling heat and clen with continuous use of ketofin.

What about maybe adding in T3???
Your views DJ?

t3 + anabolic support then yes....


t3 can do wonders for increasing the appetite...u can so some serious fat loss but dont take the dosage to high as u will end up eating into muscle even with a large amount of anabolic support....

also becareful at the dose u are using,start with 20mcgs and work up to 80mcgs max unless u are an experienced user...and then start to taper down again.... u cant just stop using it as u can do damage to your self if u do not taper up and taper down...

I would try to focus on losing more weight before doing a cycle of anabolics.

When using T3 you should be able to answer these questions, as a minimum:
1.) What organ does Tertroxin effect?
2.) What does that organ do in your body?
3.) How do you get that Organ fully functional if it doesn't bounce back after Tertroxin use?

If you can't answer those 3 basic questions then you should not use Tertroxin in any way.

How do you get that Organ fully functional if it doesn't bounce back after Tertroxin use?

Hey Netro,
In all the stuff i've read i never found an answer to that? As i have it, youre stuffed! and have to supplement T4 = T3 for life.

Thats why i was hoping, and believe it to be true, that 25mcg / day split will be a safe and effective protocol.

Help us out here?

As I have stated before, PCT is not only directed towards your testes. You get many and thyroid PCT is one of them. Even though it is one of the organs that bounce back very quickly if the tapering cycle is adhered to, you still get guys that abuse Tertroxin.

Your doses are safe, but you should have a thyroid test done before and after to see if functionality has been restored.

thyrosine,solals thyroid repair and kelp champ...should get that thyroid functioning...i have used it twice and still am living and have no thyroid issues

You get a gold star DJ, well done.
If that doesn't work then off to the doc for the scheduled stuff.
I must say the thyroid is one of the hardiest organs and it takes allot of abuse to get it under, but we are all individuals so if thyroid issues are in your family I would look at Tertroxin as a last resort. As hard as it is to get to the point of it not functioning, it's even harder to get it functioning after to stops, so just be aware and rather go slow with the T3.

Thanks for the heads-up guys!! I'm having my 8 week bloodwork done tomorrow - i'll add the Thyroid test. Thanks for the PCT DJ!

I know its a bit off topic but maybe make that a sticky in the PCT section... the Thyroid PCT..?

Netro wrote:

You get a gold star DJ, well done.

i've used it for twice now after finishing a t3 cycle and what a charm... doc mentionaed a homeopathic injectable thyroid product but i cant remember what it was called something like thyroidia....
but woo hooo i got a gold star :nana