Good 2nd cycle?

I am looking to do a good bulking cycle,and I want to fully plan my cycle with pct so i can judge how much its going to set me back hehe...any ideas ,experiences..preferably want to avoid deca...and want to harden up at the end with some winny/anavar... anybody suggest a cycle(preferably with pct)?

First cycle was Sust250 -10weeks
Dbol 30mg e/d 1-5 weeks

BTW guys,incredible forum ,learning lots ....thanks guys

week 1-4
dbol 40mg/ed

week 1-10
350mg deca
600mg test enanthate

week 8-12
30mg winstrol orals e/d

week13
1500iu's pregnyl
50mg clomid e/d

week 14
1500iu's pregnyl
0.5mg letrozole e/d

week 15
1500iu's pregnyl
0.5mg letrozole e/d

week 16
0.5mg letrozole e/d

week 17
0.5mg letrozole e/d

@dj
Since Hulkman want's to avoid Deca couldn't it be substituted with EQ?

Why is everyone so freakin scared of Deca? Hope this continues then maybe the price will come down o that i can go on it chronically!

Nice cycle Dj, but i honestly believe Deca and EQ must run at LEAST another 5 weeks Pref 10.
You JUST start getting results when you have to come off again. And at that dose i doubt youl'l see any sides at all.

just that everyone says it shuts you down bad,is it that bad?....and thanks alot DJ

How will I do it without deca?

If Deca was so bad do you really think it would one of the most popular steroids out there?
It does shut you down, but not that bad. This is why we run a PCT, to undo what has been done

Netro wrote:

If Deca was so bad do you really think it would one of the most popular steroids out there?
It does shut you down, but not that bad. This is why we run a PCT, to undo what has been done

granted it "was" very popular steroid but you gotta admit that in last 5 years deca has been losing popularity more and more as newer research comes out about it. Equipose just works as well if not better. So unless you got a joint injury why even waste time with deca? Not to mention its in the system detectable for 18 months so its useless for most pro athletes

Thanks...so how would I use the eq in the above cycle?

most guys say 12 weeks of equi is minimum and some even ralk of 20 weeks etc but personally i had great results from equi at 200 - 400 mgs per week for 12 weeks altogether. Equi makes me eat like a race horse so its wort it even if just for that. So instead of deca go 12 weeks equi 350 mgs per week but first week load with double dose. also now you dont need letro in your pct so just go for kessar.

Thanks so week 14-17 20mg kessar e/d?

just extend your course by those 2 weeks instead of deca use equi and since equi is long acting esther then you might as well go 12 weeks of test as well then in those last 4 weeks take winny like dj said and at week 15 do like dj said.

HULKman, do a search I know that dj posted a cycle with Test & EQ a few weeks ago.

Netro wrote:

If Deca was so bad do you really think it would one of the most popular steroids out there?
It does shut you down, but not that bad. This is why we run a PCT, to undo what has been done

my elbows was fuket up, and i used deca at 300mg per week, and its totaly healed, and that was 2years ago, and i did not use any msm clucosamine etc, saved a lot of money, and got 100% strong and working joints, deca IS 101 for joints!

jo1 wrote:

Netro wrote:

If Deca was so bad do you really think it would one of the most popular steroids out there?
It does shut you down, but not that bad. This is why we run a PCT, to undo what has been done

my elbows was fuket up, and i used deca at 300mg per week, and its totaly healed, and that was 2years ago, and i did not use any msm clucosamine etc, saved a lot of money, and got 100% strong and working joints, deca IS 101 for joints!

Deca has it's place. Like mentioned above recent research has revealed allot of "funnies" and guys tend to think twice, but, if used correctly and with proper PCT it's all good. Equi is a great replacement, but many pro's don't even go near Equi due to the sides of anxiety. When you hit high doses like they do it makes you mental and the Deca sides are allot easier to control. Which ever you choose, they are both great compounds to have in your cycle.

djeasye wrote:

week 1-4
dbol 40mg/ed
week 1-10
350mg deca
600mg test enanthate
week 8-12
30mg winstrol orals e/d
week13
1500iu's pregnyl
50mg clomid e/d
week 14
1500iu's pregnyl
0.5mg letrozole e/d
week 15
1500iu's pregnyl
0.5mg letrozole e/d
week 16
0.5mg letrozole e/d
week 17
0.5mg letrozole e/d

DJ, what would the purpose of the winstrol in this cycle be?
What gains in KG's can a person expect with this?>

the purpose of the winstrol is to drop water and harden up at the end of the cycle.... bro you keep on asking about how many kgs can u gain,well its all different from person to person,i may gain 10kgs from this but someone else may gain 20...its all differentiated by diet and training and genetics...

Yeah, the main reason i ask this is just to see which cycles give you more bulk and which give you more lean mass... Sorry for being a pest man

Ask twice and do once bud, better that way.

The winny is a low dose, so it might help with water and harden you a little, but it's main effect would be to free more test and make your gains better in the late part of your cycle. This is when cortisol is high and gains tend to tapper off, it's a good inclusion and Proviron would have a similar effect, but more expensive.

Why are you not running test in your last 4 weeks? Prop would be good there and NPP for the Deca replacement or did I miss something?
Clomid is also missing, HCg and Letro would not be good enough with Deca.