My First Cycle

Well here is my first planned cycle.
34 years - 95kgs - 177cm - 22%bf estimated.
Weeks 1 - 12 = 500mg Test E (250 every 3.5 days)
Weeks 1 - 4 = 30mg DBOL everyday
Weeks 13 - 14 = HCG As needed if need - Either nothing or a small amount to hold me till the PCT is kicked
Week 15 100mg Clomid and 40mg Nolva Everyday
Weeks 16,17,18 = 50mg Clomid and 20 Nolva
Off Cycle Working hard to keep gains.
Made it based off of this site and some others. Seems pretty standard from all the forums I am on. Looking to end up with about 9 kgs gain and keep 7 of it after PCT losses.
Won't start it for just over a month as I am finish up a cut (I miss food). I am already married so I don't need to cut for the summer time , just cutting to minimize BF before starting my first AAS cycle. I am probably at 22% body fat, its a total guess as I have never measured it and never had a need to care. Cheers!

Always good to drop fat before a cycle but since you don't care about looking bloated or slightly fatter on cycle you don't need to worry to much about this. Still, finish the cut as you have it.

Good first cycle and PCT. Nothing much to change. Personally I would start the SERMs at week 14 with the HCG and since you are running clomid and tamoxifen keep the tamoxifen at 20mg the whole way through. This will give you an additional week of tamoxifen so you could run this without the clmid in week 18.

Also, at 34 I would look to adding in HCG 500iu a week (divided into two shot) for the duration of the cycle. And make the HCG a definate in weeks 13 and 14.

Inja wrote:

Always good to drop fat before a cycle but since you don't care about looking bloated or slightly fatter on cycle you don't need to worry to much about this. Still, finish the cut as you have it.

Good first cycle and PCT. Nothing much to change. Personally I would start the SERMs at week 14 with the HCG and since you are running clomid and tamoxifen keep the tamoxifen at 20mg the whole way through. This will give you an additional week of tamoxifen so you could run this without the clmid in week 18.

Also, at 34 I would look to adding in HCG 500iu a week (divided into two shot) for the duration of the cycle. And make the HCG a definate in weeks 13 and 14.

Agree on the hcg throughout the cycle.

I would also run an anti E during the cycle-adex-as there will be a fair amount of estrogen with test and dbol and you don't want to run into any gyno problems, esp seen as this is your first cycle and you don't know how you are going to react to the test

Some sensitive people start to get sides at 500mg a week test. I don't think a 5-AR inhibitor is essential yet, but if you look at using higher doses and more cycles in future you will need to protect your prostate with something like finasteride or dutasteride.

However, it will be good to have an A.I. on hand in case of gyno. You could also have extra tamoxifen on hand for this purpose, but and A.I. on hand is always better because you could use this if you find you are sensitive to blood pressure problems related to excessive estrogens.

Heh heh, Yohimbe beat me to the A.I., but we differ on opinion as to whether to have it on hand or begin using it.
Cautiously you could use it, or curiously you could have it on hand to see if you are estrogen side prone (I am not at all and often bias because of this).

Note however that if your bf% is to high you will not be able to pick up gyno as easily if it develops.

Updated...
Weeks 1 - 12 = 500mg Test E (250 every 3.5 days)
Weeks 1 - 4 = 30mg DBOL everyday
Weeks 1- 14 = HCG 500ui per week.
Week 15 100mg Clomid and 40mg Nolva Everyday
Weeks 16,17,18 = 50mg Clomid and 20 Nolva
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Inja as far as AI - How much Arimidex should I have on hand and how would the dosage go if needed. My blood pressure sits around 130 over 90 listed as "High Normal" but no doctor has ever told me to watch out for it. Highest I have ever seen it was 140 / 95.

Inja wrote:

Heh heh, Yohimbe beat me to the A.I., but we differ on opinion as to whether to have it on hand or begin using it.
Cautiously you could use it, or curiously you could have it on hand to see if you are estrogen side prone (I am not at all and often bias because of this).

Note however that if your bf% is to high you will not be able to pick up gyno as easily if it develops.

I'm on the flip side of the coin and have to run an AI on cycle or start bloating and getting itchy nips. I normally run 0.5mg letro EOD, that's on 700-800mg test. But am quite sensitive to estrogen. Most can get away with 0.5mg EOD of adex on 500mg of test or don't need it at all.

milk thistle for support and S-adenosyl methionine (thanks Inja) - was mentioned from one of my other posts for liver support / repair.
4 weeks on Dbol 30mg ed. Do you think I will need the SAMe or can get away with milk thistle alone.

Gravity wrote:

milk thistle for support and S-adenosyl methionine (thanks Inja) - was mentioned from one of my other posts for liver support / repair.
4 weeks on Dbol 30mg ed. Do you think I will need the SAMe or can get away with milk thistle alone.

I think milk thistle will be fine. Maybe some prohep. It's not a huge dose for an extended period. Keep away from alcohol

If you have high normal now you will most probably have elevated bp on cycle.

Better monitor it closely. Get a personal BP machine even. I got a bargain at R280.00.

You will need to watch sodium intake etc to help limit water retention, and may need to consider the A-dex to limit estrogen induced bloat.

Yohimbe wrote:

I think milk thistle will be fine. Maybe some prohep. It's not a huge dose for an extended period. Keep away from alcohol

Shot dude - I quit drinking a long time ago, years ago actually. So that is not a problem at all thank.

Will get a BP monitor. I think my aunt has one I can use actually. I have cut out salt already and will keep my diet good and clean and hit up the omega threes as well as an 81mg asprin daily - helps me in general.

Ive been reading all afternoon and have come to ask if it would be a waste of time for me to alter my first cycle to this:
Weeks 1 - 12 = 300mg Test E (150 every 3.5 days)
Weeks 1 - 3 = 25mg DBOL everyday
Weeks 1 - 18 = HCG @ 500ui each week
Week 15 100mg Clomid and 40mg Nolva Everyday
Weeks 16,17,18 = 50mg Clomid and 20 Nolva
Arimdex on hand is needed - would be a dosage of .5mg per day.
Summary lowering Dbol and Primo intake but adding 500iu of HCG each week for the whole cycle. Dbol 3 weeks instead of 4 - 3 weeks in the primo should be working I think.
Reasoning is just making it a bit easier on my body, I am in no rush and a bit nervous with my first cycle to see how my body reacts.
Comments please.
Shot.

double the test dude,600mg will be fine....it will give u nice gains...

djeasye wrote:

double the test dude,600mg will be fine....it will give u nice gains...

Thanks DJ - I will take that under consideration. Everything else look ok with the new plan.
Note the HCG full cycle and the less dbol.

You are 34 and 95 Kg's - i think DJ is right about the Test. And such little DBol will also not do anything.

Thanks for the comments. I think my goal of 7kg post PCT are modest, am I wrong. I have a very solid work ethic and diet. Do you think the 600 would be overkill for me - with my goals in mind?

no it will be perfect...

cool thanks!
commiting to it then.

Bump DJ on the test and bump the dbol 30-40mg per day.

Gravity wrote:

Thanks for the comments. I think my goal of 7kg post PCT are modest, am I wrong. I have a very solid work ethic and diet. Do you think the 600 would be overkill for me - with my goals in mind?

7kg's post PCT will be brilliant!

Gravity wrote:

Ive been reading all afternoon and have come to ask if it would be a waste of time for me to alter my first cycle to this:
Weeks 1 - 12 = 300mg Test E (150 every 3.5 days)
Weeks 1 - 3 = 25mg DBOL everyday
Weeks 1 - 18 = HCG @ 500ui each week
Week 15 100mg Clomid and 40mg Nolva Everyday
Weeks 16,17,18 = 50mg Clomid and 20 Nolva
Arimdex on hand is needed - would be a dosage of .5mg per day.
Summary lowering Dbol and Primo intake but adding 500iu of HCG each week for the whole cycle. Dbol 3 weeks instead of 4 - 3 weeks in the primo should be working I think.
Reasoning is just making it a bit easier on my body, I am in no rush and a bit nervous with my first cycle to see how my body reacts.
Comments please.
Shot.

Don't like extending the HCG to wk18 with the SERMs. 2-3 weeks of HCG in PCT is fine, then you need to run a few weeks of SERM after HCG because HCG shuts down LH production.

Latest Version from input here!

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Weeks 1 - 12 = 600mg Test E (2-300 every 3.5 days)
Weeks 1 - 3 = 40mg DBOL everyday
Weeks 1 - 15 = HCG @ 500ui each week 2-250iu every 3.5 days)
Week 15 100mg Clomid and 40mg Nolva Everyday
Weeks 16,17,18 = 50mg Clomid and 20 Nolva Everyday
Arimdex on hand is needed - would be a dosage of .5mg per day.

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I really feel like this is the winner.
DJ / Inja please comment when able.

:woot