primo/anavar/clen cycle

hey lads, am a newbie so need a bit of advice.

got a solid 4-5 day workout, supplements and a tight diet focussing on a calorie intake/expended daily calculation. most days have a good deficit so the cm are coming off nicely, dropped 8 kg's and steady at 104kg now, muscles that havent shown themselves for decades are now surfacing. standard meso. 189 cm tall. not sure what body fat is.....must be 25-30%. aiming for more of a harder athletic build.

wanted any thoughts on a possible cycle as follows -
12 weeks of primo depot 800mg/week + 6 weeks of anavar 60mg/day + clen (will try it out and see what suits me). During cycle proviron for 13 weeks 25mg/day and to start clomid 10-14 days after last primo shot.

really confused about the PCT....lots of contradicting net info there.
thanks in advance

Must say, I would love to run 800mg of Primo a week.() Primo is considered weak in the sense that you dont get much bang for your buk. But at 800mg a person should see some nice changes.
How many cycles have you run before?
Pharm grade primo is dosed at 100mg/ml. That means you will be injecting 8ml a week .You are more man than I.

tx for getting back to me. 1st cycle, read up on the net and picked up that var and primo r prob. the safest all round. sensitive to chemicals but looking to give it a go. done plenty vit. b's on myself but not so looking forward to this like you say.
anyways i was told that Schering 100mg/ml is whats to go for. Build muscle relatively easy compared to those ive trained with, strict supplements and diet are obviously the key i understand, though not looking to bulk much, just harden up i guess.

Primo and Var are "safe" steroids like you said.But also very expensive.
Test, var or winny and a low dose of A.I. would also give you lean muscle/help keep you anti-catabolic whilst dieting, for a crap load less money.

Bulking , hardening up , cutting . These things will be affected mostly by diet and excersize like you said ,and less by the steroid you use.
Schering 100mg/ml is correct.
Expensive gear like Primo and Var is faked alot(just a heads up)

When you say you injected alot of B vits, have you ever injected 8ml in a week. Dont want you to get your gear and then realize you cant follow the injection protacols.

was thinking the primo could be a 3-3-2 x 3 times a week effort. got it already.
def. looking to try the test. maybe enan? what is A.I? winny, well i dont have any info on that yet.

lets say i went ahead with the cycle i mentioned, does it make sense? what would the PCT be, if different from proposed?

Steroids will not help a whole lot in taking off fat, and they wont build much muscle in a calorie deficit either. You really will be wasting all that money.

Rather stick to that diet that you say is working for you, and when the diet starts to slow add in some fat burning compounds. Once you have gotten down to under 15% (closer to 10% is better) you can think about your first cycle which will be a long ester testosterone.

Well done on working on your diet and training split, and good luck with your progress. It's good that you have done some research but you need to do a lot more before you use gear.
P.S. A.I. is aromatase inhibitor...

How old are you? Training experience before getting toa bf of 25-30%? How long you been back in the gym now?

tend to agree from what info ive gathered, except that the primo being able to preserve what i do have with an added streghth under the weights? stacked with var....thought it would be a nice mix.

the anabolic/catabolic principle seems a bit foggy still, maybe the ques. i should ask is it possible to stay the same weight while losing body fat but retaining/building muscle? hope u know what i mean.

still pumping the diet but making use of more protein. considering clen when i hit 100kg.

have a 15 year record of random weight training, cycling and road runing boughts, under 2 yrs ago i did 12 months in the gym, then took off a few months until recently. its about three months now ive been back in the gym.

gotta get that BF reading done.
35 next year.

Yes Primo and Var or any Anabolics will help prevent muscle loss when you are dieting.So yes it will preserve what you have and help keep your strength up.

You ask if you can stay the same weight while losing fat. NO you cant.

Think of it like this:

You are loosing 1kg/week of body fat. To remain the same body weight you would have to gain 1kg/week of muscle in a calorie deficit. Aint gonna happen mate.
But, your lean body mass can stay the same.

Like Inja the Ninja said ,If you can, diet for a while longer without using the goodies that you already bought. When your bodyfat is lowish, you will "see" alot more from the gear.

When you get your bodyfat checked, dont use those machines at VA that calculate your fat% using weight and height measurement. They can be quite inaccurate. Rather get it done with a calipers.

1 more thing. 1 of the senior members here does diets for people if you are interested.

sorry to get off the topic here abit but do they do bf% with calipers at VA?

honestly i think primo is a waste of time substance for a man,100mg a week for a woman is fine but guys have to do close on 400mg a week to even notice anything and then there is the fact your hair falls out, thats too much money per week if u are buying 4 of the primo ampuoles from shering. i would rather spend the money on test and shit loads of equipoise and u will get better if not more results from that combo than primo and var... get your body fat under control first off otherwise like inja would state u are gonna be in a world of troble post cycle trying to get the fat off...diet is key untill u get BF around 15% or so then we can look at using AAS

Primo = waste of money

All that money on one corse that will prob do minimal to you, rather spend that money on food that will assist u in brining that BF% down...Like some of these guys on here have mentioned once ur BF% is below 15% than do a corse.

And do :cardio in the morning and :weights in the noon/evening... get a good balance going.
Consistantcy will get you ur goal.

Hey Mikey, don't worry about losing your muscle. rather focus on dropping the fat with a good diet. As long as diet and training sorted you will not lose the muscle and if a kilo or two does come off you can put it on and more with that first cycle when you have your bf% down. Its the best way bro.

hey guys, tx for all the feedback. pretty much convinced i should wait till the BF has come down to around 15%....on 23 now (better than i thought) so not much to go. hopefully done by end Feb.

can i hold on to the primo for more maintenance purposes after a stack or maybe for a cutting cycle?

for a beginners cycle i found the following

11 weeks test cyp 400-500mg/week
10 weeks deca 200-400mg/week
proviron 25mg/day throughout cycle up to 12 weeks
10-20mg nolvadex/day up to week 11 then 20mg/day from there till week 16

Clomid cycle for three weeks after week 12 - 13 passed (2 weeks off test cyp)
clomid 300mg day 1 then 100mg for 10 days then 50mg for 10 days

also HCG 1 week prior to stopping main cycle gear at 2500 IU every 5 days but stopping this 1.5 weeks before clomid cycle ends.

then vit b6 every day 200mg for the entire 16 weeks

what does the proviron due during the cycle?
is liver support necessary during this cycle?
gathererd the nolvadex is for preventing estrogen related side effects, but why both clomid and nolvadex at the same time?

how safe is this kind of cycle?

y the 180 ? So you gonna do a bulk cycle once you hit 15% ?
Most people will say run just a test cycle first time round , me to. I would leave the deca out till next time. your choice .

"10-20mg nolvadex/day up to week 11 then 20mg/day from there till week 16" -
Rather use an A.I during cycle and keep nolva for your PCT.

You wont need Proviron if you run an A.I.

Cant remember B6 doses, but ive used 1ml B6 and 1ml b12 every second day. If you combine the two the B6 doesnt burn so bad.

mikey1075 wrote:

what does the proviron due during the cycle?
is liver support necessary during this cycle?
gathererd the nolvadex is for preventing estrogen related side effects, but why both clomid and nolvadex at the same time?

how safe is this kind of cycle?

Proviron is used as a hardening agent, and in this design used as a competitor for aromatase to try lower estrogen

Liver support is required for any and all cycles

Yes tamoxifen can be used to prevent some estrogenic sides (like BBguy said, an A.I. is better), however it is also used in PCT to halt negative feedback and can be used with another SERM like clomid. Personally I just use tamoxifen in my PCT

As safe as they get really. For a first time cycle it would be better to take out the deca, and proviron, run an A.I. on course and a SERM afer, and use HCG on cycle and in PCT (lower doses)


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Just a quick question on AI. As i understand you can use arimidex or letrozole. Arimidex is quit expensive. What others can you use and how does their cost compare to arimidex (not asking for specific prices or suppliers here to be clear)

If you can spare the bux Id go for Pharm A-dex.
It is expensive. Ive seen A-dex sold for 3 times the price of UG letro and also 6 times the price of UG letro.

Just wanted to add that Ive used Nolvadex during cycle with no probs. Just alot better to use an A.I.

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