First cycle

Beastie wrote:

Hi Guys, Thanks,

I have been gyming for 3 odd years but never really id it to gain anything just to stay fit and relax, Late last year however I decided to go bog and i got the urge to Gym myself into a Super human. Thus I have been in the gYm every day for the last 12 weeks taking weekends and the odd week day off when my body really felt sore.Must say staying focused during the holidays was a killer but it s over now and my Gym buddy is back, he stopped gyming for a Month to go on hiliday and still beats me in the gym, must say he has been gyming for 25 years and is quite a BIG Mother F***** but still I felt that I should have improved?

I have had a few diets and thru the forum I put myself a nice dieet in place I am sure it is not perfect But I burn fat and I gain strength thru this, my muscles are rock hard But still I struggle to gain real size :

Morning : 4 Eggs, Oatmeal, Activia Yogurt( always a wheat cerial and protein)

Meal 2 : Protein shake,300Gr Lean meat,fish or chicken

Meal 3: Again 300 Gr Lean Meat ,Fish or Chicken and Vegies double the amount as my protein and Brown rice .

Meal 4 : Same as meal 2 if possible otherwise I stick to a Protein shake or Honey coated cerial.( I know byt it is difficult to stick to a menu while working) I have 3 bags full of food I carry around with my Laptop!

Meal 5: I try and have after my 4 O Clock gym Session and is always Protein within 30MIn after I have finished my workout.

Meal 6: I have some provitas or a light tuna at night followed by a protein shake .

I honestly live on Protein And I get plenty of Greenies in During the weekend I absolutely make it a point not to eat junk foods and take in Quality food.

I think I have reached a point where it will take my natural body very long to get better, i know I am on my natural limit,Can feel it, I can do 5 pull ups with one arm how much stronger can I get? Now is the time for Juice in my view?

I see my friends who stareted Gyming long after me and they have reached heights I can only dream of, I am also not getting any younger this year I need to play my last year of rugby and I want to do it good!

Hope this helps You and me?

Right, just two comments:
1: Like everyone said, you need carb to bulk. Yeah it can be done on low carb but you will see your best gains with high carbs. If you follow DJ's initial advice you will be adding in an extra 760 calories. That's a nice increase.

2: If you do decide to cycle this year you will do a test only cycle, maybe with some Dbol but nothing else. However given you first post (suggestin a Deca only first cycle) I think you should just hold back a little longer and educate yourself a little more. Your first cycle will be better off because of it.

Inja wrote:
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2: If you do decide to cycle this year you will do a test only cycle, maybe with some Dbol but nothing else. However given you first post (suggestin a Deca only first cycle) I think you should just hold back a little longer and educate yourself a little more. Your first cycle will be better off because of it.[/quote]

Hey Inja,

It has been another 2 weeks now I am doing very hard work at the moment I am maxing all my execizes till my muscles fail, to see if I can gaain something, adfding to this I do hard rugby exercizes for 2 hours at night. Now I have lost alot of cm and small amounts of Fat but I am pretty much nowhere?

What gains can I expect from a Test and DBol Cycle?

Bro, look

1. You only been trying to put on mass for a few months now. Mass doesn't come overnight, its hard work.

2. If you lost cm and fat, you are not nowhere, you are leaner and meaner, losing weight takes time.

3. You are only just getting your mass diet once this is done it will takes months still to see good progress. In addition if you are doing alot of rugby style cardio you may STILL be eating too little.

4. If you really want to go the steroids route without having put in any effort and time into mass gaining naturally first, then you are looking at a gain of 5kg's to 15kg's in your first cycle, dependable on weight training habits, diet, experience, size & bodycomp.

Inja thanks man, you all have helped plenty.

I am now 28 and i have decided to do the juice final, what i need know is a yeah or nhey on my first cycle, I have always been in pretty good shape but i need to improve know I am turning 29 soon and would like to look Exceptional when I am 30.

This is my plan:

Cycle:

12 weeks

Week 1-12 Test Cypionate @ 400Mg per week
Week 1-4 Dinabol @ 20Mg per day

This is it simple and moderate.
Training:

Mondays- 1 hour gym session from 08:00 -09:00
2.5 Hours Rugby from 18:00 -20:30
Tuesday_ same as monday

Wednesday- 1 hour Gym session only

Thursday- Repeat Monday

Friday - Gym Session only
I will try and follow a High Calory dieet and Hopefully my gains would be good, I am aiming for power and size.

Please give your opinions on the cycle ? What else would I need some Nolvadex???

Regards

Back when I did my first few cycles the advice was 200mg Cyp a weeks and 20mg Dbol. Times they have changed and now its 500mg Cyp and 30-40mg Dbol.
Most of us don't remember the kinds of gains we got off our first cycle, but certainly 500mg would give more that 200mg. Its your own choice on dosage, don't go above or below that range though. 400mg should be fine.

Get some tamoxifen for PCT as well as to have on hand if gyno shows. You can get an AI like letro or A-dex as well if you worried about estro. I usually use finasteride on cycle to but don't think its a big issue for a first cycle. Get some HCG for PCT as well and you've got a first cycle planned.

As for the training personally if I was doing 3 days a week intense rugby training, I'd probably not throw in more than 3 days a week of heavy gym training. My body would over train on that. I would also have to eat a shite load to get in cals to support the activity and still provide energy for growth and recovery.

Hi guys, Think it's time for an update and I have some qeustions.


1. When I started this cycle my weight that morning was 96,3 KG I have gained 6,5Kg in 5weeks I am geusing it is mostly muscle since My Fat Percentage actually went down from 17% to 16.1 taken with a Caliper. most of this was around my tummy and still is.

I have had some compliacations during my cycle:\
1. Extreme back pumps causing my back to loose feeliong in some parts due to nerves beeing Shut down. I stopped using D/Bol and 3 days later it was alot better,almost gone.

2. The test gave me incredibly oily skin but I mostly get pimples on my Shoulders and the oiliness seem to have become less in my face, I need to do alot of toners and lady stuff but it works.

Overall thus far i am very happy with my gear and results, Summary as follows:

1.Gain about 1KG of Muscle per week
2. Incredible strengh increases( Max 22 reps with 80KG on the bench VS previous of 13) major difference.
3. overall arm size increased with 1.5CM to date and it seems like they growing quicker as I progress.
4. I have a bulky look and everyone seems to notice(pS i do not wonder around topless) so there is a deffinate change in my body.
5. Sex drive is the same as always byt I seem to have more Stamina.
Overall, i think I am doing good.


Qeustion:\

Will I benefit if I added some Winny to my cycle Closer to the end, or must I keep my Cycle as planned and Walk away with my already good gains and , save the Winny for a next cycle?

Can you cut on your Non cycle training and only do bulking cycles?? Or must you do Bulking and cutting cycles??

Thanks again to all the help by the members the results speak for themselves.

Thanks

Well done man on the gains so far. How long do you have left on the cycle?

If it seems like you're holding water then the winny would be a perfect addition those last couple of weeks.

On the cycle question, it all depends on your goals, if you only want mass on not too worried about condition then bulking only cycle are good but obviously if you want to look nice and lean then you need to diet harder and do a cycle. It seems like inadvertently you've done a lean mass cycle and to me those are the best for non competitive bb's.

I think 200mg a week for the first cycle is more than enough... Even after I cycled for a long time I was using Apex T350 and using 1 mill a week and getting good results on that... Enough calories you will grow...

vega5 wrote:

Well done man on the gains so far. How long do you have left on the cycle?

If it seems like you're holding water then the winny would be a perfect addition those last couple of weeks.

On the cycle question, it all depends on your goals, if you only want mass on not too worried about condition then bulking only cycle are good but obviously if you want to look nice and lean then you need to diet harder and do a cycle. It seems like inadvertently you've done a lean mass cycle and to me those are the best for non competitive bb's.

Thaks bud,

7 weeks left, Hoping to enter a comp next year My goal is to weigh at least 102 with 8% body fat, only then will I start to prepare for a possible comp I love body building but at the moment I am just big, no definition , I was thinking that you should be able to do a Non steriodal cutting cycle with some Fat burners and Metabolism enhancers and a good dieet? Will definately contact Dj after my cycle is done.

Thanks.

So guys with the gyming going well and all is feeling great i have never taken anything besides L glutimin and Creatin.
I am slightly over weight and wanting to gain more size then cut it all. What should i take and where is the best place to find i live in pietermaritzburg.

Shot.

take some diet and good cardio, why would you want to gain more if you are already overweight?? Read the rules, the forum does not sell steroids.

The Chaz wrote:

where is the best place to find i live in pietermaritzburg.

Shot.

Hi, please go and read the rules...the is an information only board...not aimed at hooking you up with dealers etc as that is highly illegal...

Regarding the cycle, first try and get your bf% close to 12% before thinking of going on any cycle

Good starter cycle;

Week 1-4: 40mg d-bol per day
Week 1-12: 500mg Test E per week
Week 10-14: 500iu HCG (pregnyl, ovidrol, liquid pharm (x2 per week)
Week 15 - 18: PCT (Nolva)

Sorry about that.
Ok whats Test E.. What does it do...?
And HCG What that for and What it do...?
And PCT '' ''....?

Sorry bro i have never heard of this stuff haha.

okay you need to start reading up on steroids and discussions on this forum and train hard and eat right before you consider this. You cannot want to use it if you don't know what it is and used for, come on.... patients. You need to study these substances and what and how happens to your body. you need a good foundations and lots of knowledge



What is your diet and trainning like?

Ok cool i have done some reading and i have heard of a few people that have taken whin and dbol but i am wanting to find out if i have the money and time what i should take in the position i am in now.

It is a high protein low carb but not to strict i run when i got the time.

The Chaz wrote:

Sorry about that.
Ok whats Test E.. What does it do...?
And HCG What that for and What it do...?
And PCT '' ''....?

Sorry bro i have never heard of this stuff haha.

Hey Chaz:

You have just proven you have done absolutely no research on steroids. i suggest you familiarize yourself with steroids and how they work on ones body, doing research is a good way too start, how could you put something into your body when you have no idea of how it will affect you.

Here we can advice and help you, however it is not up to us too spoon feed you. please do some research on the stuff and come chat with us then, also provide us with some stats, goals, training regime and diet. with out these factors we cant help you dude.

peace

Like michael said...do some serious reading

An oral cycle will not benefit you AT ALL...orals are known as short ester (eg they stay in the system for short periods)...thus as soon as you stop using them your going to "deflate"...also an oral only cycle will put crazy stress on your liver!!

Test E is testosterone enanthate...most commonly used for beginner cycle...hcg helps get your nads to normal size after a cycle and pct (post cycle therapy) helps stabilize your hormone levels after a cycle and is responsible for keeping some of the gains you make during a cycle

Good place to start is to just use the search function on this site

shot bro ok cool now a rough figure on cost for the cycle...?
I will go do my reading is that what cycle you started on...?

The Chaz wrote:

shot bro ok cool now a rough figure on cost for the cycle...?
I will go do my reading is that what cycle you started on...?

Chaz i can see where you are going, you are ignoring all advice given to you here. Most of this guys are well respected guys in the bodybuilding community.

For harsh facts, not providing us your stats. (CORRECT STATS) You can harm your body giving it harsh damage possibly permanent damage. And read the rules of costs and stuff. Take our advice or not, but dont come back with a thread, i am pissing blood, my dick dont work what now?

Then everybody is going to say we told you so.

'n hastige hond verbrand sy mond.

DIET, TRAINING, DEDICATION. 3 years, then you are ready to go with the juice. well hopefully you are not a youngster :huh:

March 22, 1989 thats when he was born,so just gone 21. it pays off when he puts his name on his profile and his facebook profile is an open one...i wonder if his chick danah knows that he wants to use steroids..

The Chaz wrote:

shot bro ok cool now a rough figure on cost for the cycle...?
I will go do my reading is that what cycle you started on...?

Cost I have no idea...I've only been reading up the last 3 months or so, only planning on doing my first cycle beginning of next year at the earliest if I'm not happy with natural gains anymore. Also I'm the type who will rather save up for an extra couple of months and get the best than spend less and go for "bargain bin" items

Cost also depends on what brands you use...UG labs (underground) is usually cheaper than pharma grade...but with some UG labs...not all, there is always the risk of getting contaminated vials or compounds with not exact mg/ml mix...but on the other hand pharma grade is also often faked...so I guess you run risk either way...I guess its down to getting a good and reliable source...

DJ wrote:

March 22, 1989 thats when he was born,so just gone 21. it pays off when he puts his name on his profile and his facebook profile is an open one...i wonder if his chick danah knows that he wants to use steroids..

Eish dj that is very cunning of you i must say whahahahah never thought of it, damn but facebook can really bring you in shit hahahahaha that is really blind mind you. hahaha well done superspy dj :laugh:

Roozer wrote:

DJ wrote:

March 22, 1989 thats when he was born,so just gone 21. it pays off when he puts his name on his profile and his facebook profile is an open one...i wonder if his chick danah knows that he wants to use steroids..

Eish dj that is very cunning of you i must say whahahahah never thought of it, damn but facebook can really bring you in shit hahahahaha that is really blind mind you. hahaha well done superspy dj :laugh:

bro if u are going to be idiotic u might aswell pay the price...

I under stand buddy i just want a kick in the right direction i will start saving and listen to what you have to say i mean i dont want to fuck my body up but i do know what i want it to look like i am 21 and i have a photo of Arnold at 21 and i have my goal set so i am going to try hey.
I will give it time and not take the short cuts but i need to know whitch is the right direction.

DJ wrote:

Roozer wrote:

DJ wrote:

March 22, 1989 thats when he was born,so just gone 21. it pays off when he puts his name on his profile and his facebook profile is an open one...i wonder if his chick danah knows that he wants to use steroids..

Eish dj that is very cunning of you i must say whahahahah never thought of it, damn but facebook can really bring you in shit hahahahaha that is really blind mind you. hahaha well done superspy dj :laugh:

bro if u are going to be idiotic u might aswell pay the price...

Bud Danah is not going to like it, because his willy is not going to work. Well maybe a mate can tag him and take over while he f&^ks up his body if he does not want to listen