Questions re: new cycle

Hi Guys

Check out the cycle I'm planning to go on (see the attachment).

The Tren is run 70mg EOD. I would prefer no injectables for PCT if possible.

Should I run Tren and Proviron earlier in the cycle, followed with Nolva?

What do you think? any comments or advice?

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You running 2 x test, long and short and you have no clomid nor pregnyl in your PCT? Kessar can be run at 20mg p/d and it should be fine. Proviron should not be used as an anti-e, kessar and clomid and a-dex are much better choices.

But, before I go on, best you supply some stats and background.

Some stats:
1.8m
95kg
15% body fat and dropping

Thanks for the replies!

I trained for about 4 years, stopped for about a year, and have been back for about 8 months. I have used (Depo + Deca) + (Depo amd Dianabols) in the past. I've been on a fat loss programme for 4 weeks now.

I wanted to do a good cutting cycle so i purchased half of the goods - 10ml Test Prop 100mg/ml, 10ml Tren (50mg Acetate + 50mg Enanthate) per ml. But I decided to rather cut using Clenbuterol and clean eating, and keep the gear for a lean mass cycle.

Basically the Tren is complicating things. My initial cycle was simple -
weeks 1 - 12 Depo
weeks 1 - 4 Test Prop
weeks 1- 12 Kessar

I would like to use Depo or Test enanthate as a base and maybe use the prop as a kick start???

The problem Im having is trying to include the Tren into the cycle as well, as anti-e (would love to use Adex, but the price is out of my league at the moment). Basically not sure what anti-e to run before, during, and after the Tren. Could I run the Kessar up until I run the Tren? And then run a different anti-e while using the Tren? E.g. run the Test for 6 weeks while using Kessar, run the Tren weeks 7, 8, 9 & 10 using a different anti-e thats more suitable to Tren?? Would Clomid be good enough while running the Nandralone?

PCT is still in the making.

Any info and additions would really be appreciated. Thanx!

Do you suffer badly from gyno? if not I think you can use all those products more efficiently ,here is my suggestion

WK---TEST CYP---TREN

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TEST PROP---PROVIRON

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KESSAR

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PREGNYL
1

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600mg

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70mgEOD

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25mg/Day
2

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600mg

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70mgEOD

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50mg/Day
3

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600mg

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70mgEOD

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50mg/Day
4

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600mg

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70mgEOD

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50mg/Day
5

---

600mg

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50mg/Day
6

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600mg

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50mg/Day
7

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600mg

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10mg/Day----250iu 2xWk
8

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600mg

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10mg/Day----250iu 2xWk
9

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400mg

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200mg

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10mg/Day----500iu 2xWk
10

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400mg

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200mg

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10mg/Day----500iu 2xWk
11

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350mg

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10mg/Day----500iu 2xWk
12

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350mg

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10mg/Day----500iu 2xWk
13-P-C-T

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40mg/Day
14-P-C-T

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20mg/Day
15-P-C-T

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20mg/Day
16-P-C-T

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20mg/Day


My advice would be to add Winstrol(oral) or Anavar for the last 4 weeks and that would complete the cycle.You could keep Clomid on hand for gyno problems during Tren part of the cycle although the 50mg /Day Proviron should keep any problems away.Once again using the Test Prop at the end of the cycle for a fast PCT (2 days after last Prop shot -start PCT)

Thanks so much for the replies!

Sadly Im very susceptable to gyno... Im also really worried about the progesterone issue from the combo of tren and test. Do you think the proviron will be adaquate? (I really dont want those issues to surface at all)

Mazzal, as a rule I personally do not recommend proviron to be used as an anti-e as there are much better weapons (and some cheaper) to address the issue, proviron DOES have anti-e properties, but other compounds just do the job better. If you have issues in your first 6 weeks of cycle and still using proviron, you can supplement with Clomid (the cheaper choice). Those doses are pretty average or a little below, but your body might not think that. I would say have the clomid on hand and if needed you use it, if the proviron can keep the estrogen in check then good for you. You could even go up with your proviron to 100mg, but that could work out expensive. The intake of clomid will have a dual effect in the anti-e component, but also with your natural hormone production, it will increase FSH and LH levels (LH levels is what Pregnyl increases and gives your nuts their size back).

Basically, you will keep your nuts in check as you are doing with the Pregnyl in smaller doses later in the cycle.

Hope this helps

If gyno is a big problem then the first line of defence is Arimadex I know its pricey but I would have to say that this is a product you should always keep on hand in case of this problem rearing its ugly head

Thanks a million for all the responses!

Conan wrote:

If gyno is a big problem then the first line of defence is Arimadex I know its pricey but I would have to say that this is a product you should always keep on hand in case of this problem rearing its ugly head

Bro, you seem to know a lot about gyno treatment. What do you think of 1mg Arimedex, 40mg Kessar, 50mg Clomid per day as treatment for existing gyno?

I've started developing some nasty puffiness again and have placed an emergency order for PGW Arimedex this morning... I will have it tomorrow.

I'm just concerned that Arimedex and Kessar/Clomid might not mix very well. I'm in the last phase of my PCT at the moment and my hormones are still mixed up, so I would like to extend my Kessar and Clomid while using Arimedex for the gyno.

admin even better than Arimadex is letrozole(Femara)it is just as expensive but probably the most effective at clearing gyno (Batman will back me up here)If you do use one of these 2 products you should stop the Kessar as it will reduce the effects of the Arimidex (and we all know how expensive it is) Rather use the Arimidex / Letrozole to clear the gyno then go back on the Kessar /Clomid
Ideally you should use the Arimidex during your cycle and the Clomid and or Kessar used for PCT

Thanks for the reply, Conan.

I don't have a source for Letro at the moment and the PGW Arimidex is very well priced, so that's why I chose that for now.
Should I finish my PCT first before I start with the A-Dex or should I postpone it until later. I think the kessar is actually making my gyno worse... I had very little trouble with the estrogen and progesterone while on cycle, but since my HCG shots it is giving me kak.

I ran all sorts of compound throughout this cycle, but the main culprits are the Depotrone and Tren. I'm very sensitive when I use 19-nor compounds with estrogenic ones... that's why I used to import Cabaser in the past.

What do you sugest?

Admin, im on NPP at the moment and heading in your direction with regards to PCT. How long after your last shot Tren did you start the Kessar?

I use Tren E, so it was 14 days.

admin because both the nandrolones and trenbolones have an affinity for progesterone receptors it is always better to use Clomid and not Kessar during PCT with these 2 products,in fact Kessar can make progesterone based gyno worse ,by acting as an estrogen to block the estrogen receptors it fools the body into thinking it has estrogen present and you need to have estrogen present for progeterone based gyno ,my advice would be to stop the Kessar and Clomid now and sort out the gyno problem with Arimadex and only then carry on PCT with only the Clomid

Conan wrote:

admin because both the nandrolones and trenbolones have an affinity for progesterone receptors it is always better to use Clomid and not Kessar during PCT with these 2 products,in fact Kessar can make progesterone based gyno worse ,by acting as an estrogen to block the estrogen receptors it fools the body into thinking it has estrogen present and you need to have estrogen present for progeterone based gyno ,my advice would be to stop the Kessar and Clomid now and sort out the gyno problem with Arimadex and only then carry on PCT with only the Clomid

Thanks for the advice, bro.

Will do that from now on.