Lean Mass Cycle for Older guy?

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18 May 2008 21:39 #3488 by Oupiel
Lean Mass Cycle for Older guy? was created by Oupiel
The more I read the more dificult it gets to make up my mind.

Haven't used for over 10 years and looking to start again.
I'm 37, want clean gains, can't afford to bloat.

Was thinking of 10 - 12 week cycle; Equipoise as a base with Anavar. A-dex to be on standby.
4 week PCT Nolvadex & HCG.

HOWEVER: commonts on this forum about a DEAD DICK when using above have got me second guessing everything.

How would you guys my age do this?

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19 May 2008 10:16 #3496 by Conan
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Opiel firstly I need to ask you if you've been training for the last 10 years? Now even if you're doing a lean gains cycle with Equi I would have to advise running a low dose Test(Enanthate or Cypionate @ 250-300mg/week)not only will you feel better but it will help eliminate 'dead dick' from happening and will also enhance the size and strength gains on your cycle.The nandrolones and trenbolones are mostly to blame for the dead dick problem and with an Equi-Test cycle as long as your eating and training and physical health are all good you should'nt have any problems

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19 May 2008 15:40 #3509 by Oupiel
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I have been training on & off for the past 10 years, more on than off but the focus was rehab and mobility after a bike accident. Not Bodybuilding in a pure sense.

The past year and a bit, I've been hitting the weights and am now 8kg's off my previous max. Clean!
I've also leaned out to about 11% -12% fat. Diet is generally good, could be better. I just can’t seem to eat enough.

Physical health is good, despite reduced lung capacity. Only notice it during "heavy" squats or leg press. Hip strength not in balanced through a full Range of motion, but getting close. I am now squatting ass to grass but not at max weight yet.

From an endocrine point of view, fertility was a bit of an issue a while back i.e. Lots of swimmers but they’re a bit lazy. Not an issue since my second son was born and I had the snip!

Blood pressure, cholesterol, liver function, prostate all good as per last health check in January.

Probably more than you ever wanted to know, but that's the story.
What dose of EQ would you suggest?
The addition of test seems like a good idea, just worried about oestrogen conversion, would 1mg/day A-dex work?
Should I reduce the cycle to 8-week if I add test?

PCT: looking at 4 weeks Nolvadex @ 40 mg/day then 20mg/day.
I’m not sure how to use HCG. In what dose is it available? Should I administer every 3rd or 4th week during the cycle and for 3 weeks PCT? At What dose should HCG be administered?

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19 May 2008 16:13 #3512 by Netro
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Bro,
Because of the ester length of Equi a 10 or 12 week (ideal) cycle I would recommend. You can frontload on your first shot and then just constant the rest of the way. A-Dex at .5 mg per day if gyno sets in and you can increase to 1mg if needed. I would also recommend that low dose of test to keep the "soldier" interested. Conan gave good advice.

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19 May 2008 16:20 #3513 by Oupiel
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Cool thing! This is starting to take shape in my head.

re. Anavar, I was looking at 20mg/day for the duration of the cycle, but someone suggested, I should also look at proviron.

Should this be as part of PCT or the last week or two of the cycle?
At what dose & frequency?

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19 May 2008 16:39 #3514 by Netro
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Bro, var at 20mg p/d is real real low. 50mg p/d is the going rate. Proviron is good, but may work out expensive depending on the application in the cycle and dose of course. Usually used in a cycle to drop water and harden up.

As a rule, do not use Anabolics as part of your PCT. Remember the goal of a PCT is to restore your natural hormone production and Anabolics suppress that, very counter active considering what you are trying to accomplish.

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19 May 2008 16:47 #3515 by Conan
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As far as Equi goes a dose of 300-400mg per week should do (personally I think less than 250mg/week is too low for a man)
As to estrogen conversion from the test Netro's right on with the arimidex for controlling it also it depends on the dosage of test used (150mg 2x/week should'nt be a problem) and more importantly how you respond/responded to test in the past.Let me give an example of a 12 weeker and show the use of Pregnyl/Ovidrel and Kessar(tamoxifen) as they relate to PCT

Wk----Test Enanth----Equipoise---Anavar----Pregnyl
Kessar
1
300mg
700mg
2
300mg
350mg
3
300mg
350mg
250iu 2xWk
4
300mg
350mg
250iu 2xWk
5
300mg
350mg
250iu 2xWk
6
300mg
350mg
250iu 2xWk
7
300mg
350mg
250iu 2xWk
8
300mg
350mg
250iu 2xWk
9
300mg
350mg
40mg/D---250iu 2xWk
10----300mg
350mg
40mg/D---250iu 2xWk
11----300mg
40mg/D---500iu 2xWk
12
40mg/D---750iu 2xWk
13--PCT
20mg/D
14--PCT
20mg/D
15--PCT
20mg/D
16--PCT
20mg/D

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06 Jun 2008 12:29 #4161 by Oupiel
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Cool thing, thanks to all for the advice. I followed your advice but also added some proviron. I got my gear today and will do some before stats this weekend.

Will update as I see progress.

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