Final Suggestion on first cycle

Good day Guys,

I know I have had 10 different cycles in mind but please bear with me I think this it!My first cycle and would really appreciate if you could comment? It is simple yet I think it will be a good Size and strenght gain for a first cycle? (File Removed)

IMO I don't think that 20mg D-bol a day will be enough, you need to bump it up to at least 30-40mg a day. Otherwise I think I looks good, you might just want to slot in some HCG.

Looks good buddy and i defnitely agree with vega! Bump the dbols and hcg! IMO ill try and sorta 'pulse' the kessar...

1st week: 5days 40mg 2days 20mg
2nd week: 4days 40mg 3days 20mg
3rd week: 3days 40mg 4days 20mg
4th week: 2days 40mg 5days 20mg
5th week: 1day 40mg 6days 20mg

...catch my drift, evening in out, but it's up to you, just stiring the topic but im sure there's someone that'll help you way better here!

oyeah, and if you have the money, why dont you include deca the first 10weeks of cycle, its a pretty safe 'add-on' with HUGE gains, but just shoot it at around the same dose as the test and your gonads will have no problem related to 'deca-dick' and you're running test for another 2weeks after that so you'll be perfect buddy!

But lets say you gonna include the deca right? just make sure that you dont inject more than 2cc in the cheeks at a given time buddy, i.e. your cyp250 is 2ml per week, and deca100 4ml per week...well then what i'll do is inject my whole weeks dose in one empty vial, and the 2ml test and 4ml decca will add up to 6ml obviously, so then it's pre-mixed and mon wed fri 2ml shots! Nice and evenly spread out!

Ah im probably just talking too much, like you said, it's been a long discussion!

Goodluck buddy, and all the best!

J34N why on earth do u want to pulse the kessar? why do u use an empty vial to inject 6mls into? why not just do 2mls deca and 1 ml cyp a shot,if they are deca 100 amps then u just need to open 2 at a time...

Bump DJ, no need to pre mix..

And seen as this is your first cycle i disagree with jean on the deca aspect. Stick to straight test, save the deca for another day, if at all

Ah dj my bad on the kessar, was just putting it out there and stirring the topic, not the right place but thanx for correcting me man, some of the guys at gym was talking about doing it that way after a long cycle but ill still would like to know why not?

As for the vials, i just think that 3mls per shot, sheesh could be pretty harsh, just thought if he can maybe spread out the shots more so that he gets the same amount per week with less ml per shot! Instead of injecting 3mls x 2 per week...rather do it 2mls x 3 per week...thats where the 'injecting into the vials' come from.

Apologies again dj, thanx bro

First time juice user and straight test is good enough. You can gauge what your body responds to and the weekly dose is good. Single ester is great and the cyp is cheap and nasty and does the job. I would up the d-bol by 10mg though and see how that feels. It's an oral and short acting so you can down or up adjust quick and feel the difference.

Keep it simple with a good diet and training and you will get good results. Kessar is good enough for your PCT as well and can also be used as an anti-e during cycle in case you are a little sensitive to the test converting and hit estrogen issues.

Make sure you adjust your diet after cycle to support the new muscle as well.

Try injecting twice per week, but if it's your very first cycle look at just one shot till you confident to move to 2 shots per week.

If budget allows, then 1 - 2 tabs proviron in the last 2 - 3 weeks will help with gains when the cortisol levels start catching up.

Good luck bud and happy growing.

PS:- Just choose a good and reliable brand

WHAT???? do my eyes deceive me ???? is that really you Netro . Where you been ???

LMAO .... JA JA .... thought I would get some stick for being absent for so long.

Is me, Is me ...

Trying to make time for some posts and will see how it goes.

Hope the mods have been good Shepards for you guys.

damn right we have netro, good to see u are back though..

Netro wrote:

LMAO .... JA JA .... thought I would get some stick for being absent for so long.

Is me, Is me ...

Trying to make time for some posts and will see how it goes.

Hope the mods have been good Shepards for you guys.

Welcome back Netro.....I will appreciate it if you could look at my 4th cycle that I will start on 14 Feb in this Cycle discussion thread.
P.S. It was created by a friend of yours.

Netro wrote:

First time juice user and straight test is good enough. You can gauge what your body responds to and the weekly dose is good. Single ester is great and the cyp is cheap and nasty and does the job. I would up the d-bol by 10mg though and see how that feels. It's an oral and short acting so you can down or up adjust quick and feel the difference.

Keep it simple with a good diet and training and you will get good results. Kessar is good enough for your PCT as well and can also be used as an anti-e during cycle in case you are a little sensitive to the test converting and hit estrogen issues.

Make sure you adjust your diet after cycle to support the new muscle as well.

Try injecting twice per week, but if it's your very first cycle look at just one shot till you confident to move to 2 shots per week.

If budget allows, then 1 - 2 tabs proviron in the last 2 - 3 weeks will help with gains when the cortisol levels start catching up.

Good luck bud and happy growing.

PS:- Just choose a good and reliable brand

I forgot what a good, helpful, informative reply looks like...

J34N wrote:

Ah dj my bad on the kessar, was just putting it out there and stirring the topic, not the right place but thanx for correcting me man, some of the guys at gym was talking about doing it that way after a long cycle but ill still would like to know why not?

As for the vials, i just think that 3mls per shot, sheesh could be pretty harsh, just thought if he can maybe spread out the shots more so that he gets the same amount per week with less ml per shot! Instead of injecting 3mls x 2 per week...rather do it 2mls x 3 per week...thats where the 'injecting into the vials' come from.

Apologies again dj, thanx bro

There's no harm in pinning 3x per week if you want to lower the total ml pinned, but why premix into a vial? You can just draw each into the syringe when its pinning time.
The more you play at transferring etc you open up for contamination.
Agree that straight test is fine for a first cycle and to bump the dbol up to 40mg per day.
Bump Netro on using an anti e-test and dbol have a lot fo estrogen conversion.
Pulsing the nolva offers no benefit-it will just fluctuate the blood levels. And the rule of thumb is to keep blood levels as stable as possible with all drugs. Side effects often rear they're heads when there is fluctuating blood levels.

Netro wrote:

First time juice user and straight test is good enough. You can gauge what your body responds to and the weekly dose is good. Single ester is great and the cyp is cheap and nasty and does the job. I would up the d-bol by 10mg though and see how that feels. It's an oral and short acting so you can down or up adjust quick and feel the difference.

Keep it simple with a good diet and training and you will get good results. Kessar is good enough for your PCT as well and can also be used as an anti-e during cycle in case you are a little sensitive to the test converting and hit estrogen issues.

Make sure you adjust your diet after cycle to support the new muscle as well.

Try injecting twice per week, but if it's your very first cycle look at just one shot till you confident to move to 2 shots per week.

If budget allows, then 1 - 2 tabs proviron in the last 2 - 3 weeks will help with gains when the cortisol levels start catching up.

Good luck bud and happy growing.

PS:- Just choose a good and reliable brand

Many thanks NETRO!,

I feel Positively Confident now will add in the Proviron, planning to start my cycle In March when my schedule is little less hectic, need to hit the gym every day when I cycle, But hey ya!!

Will keep you up to date on my cycle gains and issues, many thanks again :woohoo:

Yohimbe wrote:

J34N wrote:

Ah dj my bad on the kessar, was just putting it out there and stirring the topic, not the right place but thanx for correcting me man, some of the guys at gym was talking about doing it that way after a long cycle but ill still would like to know why not?

As for the vials, i just think that 3mls per shot, sheesh could be pretty harsh, just thought if he can maybe spread out the shots more so that he gets the same amount per week with less ml per shot! Instead of injecting 3mls x 2 per week...rather do it 2mls x 3 per week...thats where the 'injecting into the vials' come from.

Apologies again dj, thanx bro

There's no harm in pinning 3x per week if you want to lower the total ml pinned, but why premix into a vial? You can just draw each into the syringe when its pinning time.
The more you play at transferring etc you open up for contamination.
Agree that straight test is fine for a first cycle and to bump the dbol up to 40mg per day.
Bump Netro on using an anti e-test and dbol have a lot fo estrogen conversion.
Pulsing the nolva offers no benefit-it will just fluctuate the blood levels. And the rule of thumb is to keep blood levels as stable as possible with all drugs. Side effects often rear they're heads when there is fluctuating blood levels.

Yeah i hear you on the contamination of the gear from drawing too much and mixing etc! And real thanx Yohimbe on the kessar topic, im learning sooo much on this site, keep up the awesomenessnessness :laugh: