My new cycle, please help

Hi all,

Hope everyone is doing fine. I am planning to start a new cycle soon and was hoping someone could help me with a few details. This will be my third cycle.
I plan on running the following:
Week 1-4; 20mg Dianabol
Week 1-10; Deca 350 (PGW)
Week 1-10; Test.
Week 12-14; PCT

Now my question is; which test would be the best for my cycle? I like the PGW products but if there is something better to use please recommend it and at which dose. I know it should be twice the amount of the deca, I am just not sure which test to use. Also, the recommended test, would I be able to mix 1ml of it with the deca shot on say monday and then the other only test shot on Thursday.? I dont like needles that much so would like to keep the injections to a minimum if possible.
EDIT: I can get hold of Super Test 320 (PGW) and Testen 300 (PGW)

Thanks in advance.

Hey Mike
You should give some stats and cycle history.
What does your PCT look like, as well as your diet?

My first cycle was dianabol 30mg per day. Second cycle was deca 350 and test from nomad labs. The deca and test was 1ml each per week. My diet I will work out before I start the cycle and the pct will be clomid. I have never had ANY sides with m previous 2 cycles but I did see some nice gains from my second cycle so I want to take it up a notch this time.
Age:27
Height: 199cm
Weight: 84kg, I know.
Training: 5 years.

double your dbol dose,at least 600mg of test, keep a-dex on hand for any sides,get the diet in order for maximum growth...

mike80 wrote:

My first cycle was dianabol 30mg per day. Second cycle was deca 350 and test from nomad labs. The deca and test was 1ml each per week. My diet I will work out before I start the cycle and the pct will be clomid. I have never had ANY sides with m previous 2 cycles but I did see some nice gains from my second cycle so I want to take it up a notch this time.
Age:27
Height: 199cm
Weight: 84kg, I know.
Training: 5 years.

In my opinion your cycle must look like this!

Week 1-4 dbol 40 mg ED
Week 1-12 deca 350mg
week 1-12 Supertest 640mg ( you can split dosages, mon and thurs, 0.5ml deca and 1ml supertest)

Then 2 weeks after last pin start pct. ( dont make the mistake i did at first. just doing clomid as the gym rats recommend )
kessar 20mg ED
clomid 50mg ED
Hcg start week 7-12 500iu a week
then on pct 250 iu EOD

Go and see Doctari's pct on the pct section.!

you will need a proper pct as you are going to use deca that will shut you down dramatically.

Get adex to run through cycle for estro sides.

And given that you know diet is very important, ask dj for diet you wont go wrong. guys get very good results.

Hope this helps

Ok, thanks for the help but WHICH TEST would be the best of the 2 I have mentioned? The Supertest 320 or the Testen 300? Also, would I be able to mix the monday shot with the deca?

super test for the win.split it up at roozer said.

roozer i swear u dont even read my posts like 2-3 lines up... i

Thanks for the help Dj. One last question, can I mix the monday supertest in the same syringe as the deca and then on thursday the rest of the supertest?

do 1ml super test and 1/2ml deca on a monday and on a thursday...

Will do. Thanks for all the help, I really appreciate it.

Test should always be run two weeks longer than deca, due to the highly suppressive nature of deca.

Test 1-12
Deca 1-10

BigDave wrote:

Test should always be run two weeks longer than deca, due to the highly suppressive nature of deca.

Test 1-12
Deca 1-10

Agree with this, but I think 10 weeks is a bit short for a deconate ester. I would say you need to push the cycle to at least 13 weeks, 14 better on the deca and keep the test running for 14-15 weeks due to the deconate ester.

Is there any reason you're running deca in particular? I think EQ is a better choice as it provides similar gains to deca without being as suppressive.

I have only tried the PGW deca and got great results from it. Can you give me a breakdown of the EQ please if you dont mind and at which dose it should be taken per week. Is it better than deca? Could you also recommend a cycle for me please with the equi and test and maybe(if necessary) dianabol, if i would need it.

DJ wrote:

roozer i swear u dont even read my posts like 2-3 lines up... i

haha sorry dj man sometimes i am in a rush and just type. short term memory is not what it was LOL :laugh:

Roozer wrote:

DJ wrote:

roozer i swear u dont even read my posts like 2-3 lines up... i

haha sorry dj man sometimes i am in a rush and just type. short term memory is not what it was LOL :laugh:

Are u sure it's not short term memory :silly: , lol

mike80 wrote:

I have only tried the PGW deca and got great results from it. Can you give me a breakdown of the EQ please if you dont mind and at which dose it should be taken per week. Is it better than deca? Could you also recommend a cycle for me please with the equi and test and maybe(if necessary) dianabol, if i would need it.

Hahaha mike i like equi more than deca reason being deca is the 19-nor. dont like that heavy battering and shutdown. I am currently on a Test and equi cycle.
Test cyp 250 with test ent 300, and equi 350 a week for 15 weeks. frontloaded with dbol 40mg ED and had 4 amps of oregon sus laying around that i hitted 1ml a week for 4 weeks. so in other words all the substances i am using is basically supertest hahahaha. take your course as stated and you can change it to equi

I don't want to change up your whole cycle and if you like deca stick with it, just EQ is less suppressive and doesn't have the progesterone conversion.

THe results of EQ are similar to deca except there is less water retention, vascularity pops.
A nice dose is 400-600mg per week also for about 14 weeks. Its an undecyclenate ester, so is also long ester, just slightly longer than deconate, so same rules apply in that the cycle needs to be 14-16 weeks with the test running for a least a week after the EQ (15-17 weeks) because of the ester length.

I would say run a single ester test, test enathate is a noce ester or cypionate, very similar
test 500-600mg/week 1-15
EQ 400-600mg/week 1-14 (keep the test higher than the EQ)
Ai either adex or letro, adex at 0.5mg EOD or letro 0.25mg EOD for the cycle
HCG would be a good addition to help recovery
I would run the hcg at 1,000iu per week split into 3 jabs per week.
Run it weeks 3 & 4, then weeks 7 & 8, then weeks 13 & 14 and then weeks 17 & 18, so it overlaps with the nolva for 1 weeks during pct ( this is assuming you're running 16 week cycle, so 15 weeks EQ and 16 weeks test).
THen run nolva at 40mg/day weeks 18 & 19 and then at 20mg/day weeks 20 & 21.
Make sure you're plenty of EFA's and vit c on and off cycle.

And most importantly your diet must be on, email DJ for a specific diet.

The dbol is optional, you can run it for 4 weeks at 40-50mg per day, or alternatively you can frontload the test and EQ for two weeks, so the test run at 1000mg week 1 and 2 and the EQ at 800-900mg per week weeks 1 and 2.

THe frontloading isn't so popular but I have used it with success. THe idea is to get the blood levels of the drug to peak quickly,as the test e has a 11 day half life, so if you inject 600mg, the dose that will hit the blood stream on day 1 will be 600/11. This is why you don't start seeing results until week 3 or so until the blood levels have reached decent levels.
If you don't feel comfortable with this go with the dbol for 4 weeks, but not longer than 4 weeks as it's liver toxic

Good luck

Beesting wrote:

Roozer wrote:

DJ wrote:

roozer i swear u dont even read my posts like 2-3 lines up... i

haha sorry dj man sometimes i am in a rush and just type. short term memory is not what it was LOL :laugh:

Are u sure it's not short term memory :silly: , lol

Haha bee uhm no comment :woohoo:

Well if you guys say the equi is better than the deca then I will give it a go. I also read now that its not as bad as the deca which caught my I. I just need to save now for everything I need to buy. Thanks again for all the help.

Not everyone agrees on the Deca vs EQ statements here. I like Deca/Nandrolone PLENTY.

jackrabbit1 wrote:

Not everyone agrees on the Deca vs EQ statements here. I like Deca/Nandrolone PLENTY.

I totally agree with you jack, i think in the end it is only personal choice, both has their pros and cons. I like the nandro for painless training. and love eqiu for appetite and vascularity. but everything ranges'

Nandrolene is hands down the best for the joints-EQ is supposed to increase collagen synthesis at a higher rate than nandrolene, but in my experience nandrolene is a miracle worker on the joints.
Just damn suppressive and the metabolites stay in your blood for such a long time.

Now Im confused. Dont know which one to use now.

Mike what is your biggest goal with this cycle ?