On replacement therapy, contemplating first cycle

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31 Jul 2008 22:14 #5224 by Ugi

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01 Aug 2008 09:01 #5227 by jackrabbit1
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There are some nice forums on HRT at Bodybuilding.com as well as steroid.com. Of what i've read there it seems that 100mg TestE/week is the norm. To keep levels more constant you'd probably get the recommendation here that you should split this into 2 doses, say Mon/Thur.
I see no reason for PCT as your maintanance dose of Test will suppress natural test production - of which there is almost none anyway.
You can read a nice profile of EQ at Steroid.com. The recommendation there would be a longer cycle for EQ.
There is little to no estrogen conversion on EQ, and at a low dose TestE you probably wont have problems from that either. If you do then Kessar would do the trick 10mg/day?
If i did this cycle i'd do:
Test 600mg/wk split in 2 doses.
EQ 500mg/wk split in 2.
If you go PGW you'd get by on 2 vials EQ350 over 14 weeks.
You will probably use the rest of the TestEn for HRT anyway so no waste there.
There are some other threads here that deal with the same base-cycle adding Winstrol/Anavar/Proviron etc that i suggest you read as well.

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01 Aug 2008 09:03 #5228 by jackrabbit1
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BTW at 1300 for 10 weeks i would self medicate from PGW in a flash.

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01 Aug 2008 09:33 #5229 by Oupiel
jackrabbit1 wrote:

BTW at 1300 for 10 weeks i would self medicate from PGW in a flash.

Damn, there's an idea, do you think you could get medical aid to pay for your cycle:P

@ Ugi: I'm not sure the effect of 1000mg / 10 weeks on your natural test production (even though it is naturally low)
What I'm getting at is that the jab may initially suppress your natural test (negative feedback on LH) but after a while your natural test production may kick back in.

But what is the effect on FSH & sperm production. On the mentioned HRT, it may also initially suppress Sperm production, but doing cycles & bridging with test will probably make you sterile

These are just my thoughts, but I'd investigate the fertility angle seriously if I were you.

Alternatively, if you are already a gelding, NO WURRIES!!!:P

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01 Aug 2008 11:10 #5230 by Ugi

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01 Aug 2008 11:37 #5231 by Oupiel
Shit and I wonder why I'm reluctant to tell the doc what I'm doing. I recon most are obtuse when it comes to this, at best close minded.

It may be interesting to run HCG to see how it helps, before you do a cycle. hcg may be good between cycles as opposed to test.

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01 Aug 2008 12:10 #5232 by Netro
For fertility treatment you would need a combo of HCG and HMG.

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01 Aug 2008 17:07 #5241 by Ugi
Would a test only cycle of TestE 500mg/wk for 10 weeks be worthwhile
as a first cycle?

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01 Aug 2008 17:58 #5242 by Netro
It would, but maybe a D-Bol front load for 4 weeks would be a nice add-in. PCT you could run kessar and clomid.

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03 Aug 2008 13:13 #5245 by Ugi
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04 Aug 2008 09:11 #5254 by Oupiel
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At 150mg/week, estrogen shouldn't be an issue, if it is, I'd look to lower the dose, rather than use an AI or SERM.
Although 150mg/week seems a bit high to me, if you want to replicate natural test production.

But what is a normal level of test per day or week?

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04 Aug 2008 09:11 #5255 by jackrabbit1
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Youre gonna have lots of Ovi left. Why not plan higher doses for the last 2 weeks, and split the rest in lower doses starting as close to the beginning as possible.
Im running PCT same as wk 15/16 but for 20 days continuing to 30 with Kessar at 20mg/day.
I dont think your maintanance will require any SERM or A-dex.

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04 Aug 2008 11:20 #5256 by Ugi
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From what I've read, average test production is 10mg/day and TestE
is 69% free test, with the rest being ester weight. So 150mg should
provide ~100mg/wk, a little above average to keep levels constant.

Any idea how long ovidrel will last in the fridge once reconstituted?

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04 Aug 2008 11:21 #5257 by Netro
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30 days

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05 Aug 2008 20:57 #5280 by Oupiel
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Just a thought, don't want to discourage, but, why do you have low test levels, what is the root cause.
If it's because you don't respond to LH, then Ovidrel will not induce test production.

If it's due to low levels of LH, or some other HPTA hormone, then game on, maybe!

You've been on test for over a year, it may take a long PCT to restimulate your testicles.
Have you had second opinions from other endocrinologists?

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