Cycle Advice

Hi all, new to the site, but thankfully not new to training. And thanks for such a GREAT site!

Been training for 10 years pretty solid, but the last 5 have been a lot more focused as I have realized the importance of diet.

Started Cycle on 29 June 2008, cycle of GH, Test E and Test Prop. Doing VERY low dosages of Test per week (in total doing 350 mg Test per week) and also doing 2iu of Norditropin GH per day (4am morning shot)

Don’t want to gain ANY size, ONLY want to lean out as much as possible.

Diet is as follows:

4:00 am: Wake up shoot 2 iu GH
5:30 am: BSN NO Xplode
6:00 am: Weights workout
6:45 am: Vitargo
7:00 am: ON Whey (2 scoops = 50 gram Protein)
8:00 am: 50 grams Oats with Omega 369 oil and boiling water
10:00 am: Tuna, Rice, Almonds, Broccoli
13:00 : Chicken, Rice, Broccoli
16:00 : ON Protein (1 x scoop)
16:30 : Cardio (one hour walk Treadmill)
18:30 : eggs
20:30 : ON and Almonds
21:00 : Sleep

Supplementing with the usual Vit C, Multi vitamin, Calcium at night etc etc

Current stats:

Age: 33
Weight: 115 Kg’s
BF%: around 17%

OK, my question is, should I start throwing Clen in the mix with some Zaditen? I want to get super lean by 1 October 2008. Also, when should I throw Primobolan in the mix? Should I use the Test E only for 8 weeks and then drop it for something else for the last 4 weeks of cycle such as Winny AND Primo and keep the Prop in the mix as well?

Further, I had to start taking Neophedan @ 20mg cause of the Gyno…it hasn’t done much, but only been on for a week now.

I want to keep the GH running for 4 months, but when I drop the Test etc, what do I take after cycle? I heard Clen and GH isn’t a bad idea post cycle, with some Neophedan and something else?

Thanks, hope this is enough info for now to give me some proper advice.

I am not some “snot nose kid” that has been training for 6 months and “want to get big for the chicks”…I am VERY serious about my training and diet is 100% apart from 2 cheat meals per week.

Thanks,

Saizen

Shjoe, thanks for the "short story" :laugh:
Right, 2iu GH is very low, would up to 4iu (2iu 2 x p/d) This can also be your bridge between cycles. Would run Clen as part of your PCT to keep you anabolic and not use Zaditen as it will give you a huge appetite and if you looking to loose bf it's a no no. You could add some T3 in the mix while you on cycle as you will have enough anabolic support to counter act the T3 muscle wastage. Primo you can add in the last 4 weeks, so short esters are preferable.

Use your Test E till week 8 and swap for Test Prop for the last 4, this will help with recovery and short ester test means less water. You can also add winny oral in the last 3 weeks @ 0.2mg p/kg body weight and if you really still have water issues then Proviron for the last 3 weeks as well @ 50 - 100mg p/d.

If your Nolva doesn't sort your gyno out then get some A-Dex, you can even up the Nolva to 40mg p/d for 5 days and see if that helps.

For PCT, Ovidrel, Clomid and your Neophedan would do you good, some might say an overkill, but you could drop the Clomid then and just Ovi and Nolva.

You could also add some Kynosellen to help keep you anabolic and keep that metabolism churning and help with fat loss.

Think that covers it, let me know if I missed something out.

Good advice, Netro.

Thanks for the reply Netro!

As for the “short story” rather too much info than too little…too many okes go on a site and say “I wanna get ripped, I heard Winny is good for cutting”…”what must I take?” and they are the biggest slobs ever and expect AAS to be the miracle!

The reason I am only using 2iu per day is because Nordi is so damn expensive, but being a pharma drug, you know that the 2iu you are getting is 2iu! Where if I was using Nomatropin, 4 iu no problem, the cost is a lot lower than Nordi…don’t know if you agree with me? Currently I go through 1 pen every 15 days…so that’s about 2 k per 15 days!

As for Clen, when is the best time to take it? I heard it is not a good idea before a workout?

I will up my Nolva to 40mg per day starting today, will see next week Monday.

OK so in a nutshell, I will keep running Test E until 4 weeks out, keep running Prop, will take Clen now, start Winny orals @ 0,2mg per kg 3 weeks out with Primobolan as well. I am VERY prone to water retention, so Proviron will probably be the best bet. T3, not going to start that, don’t want too many variables in the mix:)

One last question, PCT, Clomid do I start with the Clomid 4 days after last shot of Prop? And keep running Clomid AND Ovidrel together for 3 weeks?

Thanks to the guys for putting up such a GREAT South African AAS Website!

Feel your pain on the GH, Nordi is really expensive, but worth the price and no comparison to the generics, far superior.

Split the clen dose through the day.

PCT:
You can start with maintenance doses of Ovi now, 500iu 2 x p/w and run through till 2nd last week, then up to 750iu for last weeks and 1000iu for 1 week after last shot. If you have nolva then just run that or if you want clomid then run for 100mg for 1 week and 50mg for 2nd week and 3rd week. Nolva you can start 4 days after last prop shot and run the box out if it's 20mg tabs.

could I make a statement and say that 4iu Noma is as good as 2iu Nordi?

You could, but don't think you will get many supporters.

Thing is, Norditropin is by far the best GH, hands down. Nomad is just run of the mill stuff that is affordable. There is actually no comparison between compounds that are manufactured in a controlled pharmaceutical environment and compounds made in a UG lad in China.

That is only the manufacture, then there is also the raw materials and quality there of.

As an example, Depotrone was discontinued because the manufacturer changed raw material providers. If a UG lab changes raw material providers, do you think they will discontinue the product till they are happy with manufacture? Certainly not

would it make a big difference if i shoot 1 iu in the morning and 1 iu at night? Compared with only shooting 2iu in the morning? Or should i shoot 2 iu at night rather...I know there are many many theories regarding this, but just need to check...