Last 4 weeks cycle advice...Primo, Proviron, Clen

This will be what I will start taking along with my cycle in the last 4 weeks (basically start on 7 September and end it on 4 October)

Winny - I know I need to take 0,2 mg per kg, do I take this EOD or ED?

Primo - no idea how much to take, when and if I should use the oral or the injectable

Proviron - again, no idea how much I should take and when

Clen - I will start with 40mcg per day and take it from there to see when I get the "jitters"

Aldactone – need help on when, how much etc

I will keep taking my Prop as per normal and the GH will carry on running post cycle along with Clen and PCT.

I need to get some Arimidex and also Clomid? I have been taking Kessar for 2 weeks now at 40mg per day.

PCT of Clomid I need to start 4 days after last shot on Prop correct? How much Clomid per day? And for how many weeks? I dont think I will need HCG as my nuts are still cool:)

Winny, this is the oral at that dose so every day and split.
I would use inj primo as your winny is already oral, take 200 mg and up per week.
Proviron, last 2 weeks should be ok if you still have water or want to harden up more, 50 - 100mg per day.
Clen, you will know when you taking too much and not more than 120mcg p/d.
Aldactone, you taking winny and proviron, why include a diuretic?

Need to know your cycle before I can comment on PCT compounds.

Timing is correct on PCT, 3 days actually, not 4. Clomid, 100mg p/d (at once) for 5 days, then drop to 50mg p/d for 10 days.

My cycle has been very simple.

300 mg Test Prop per week and some GH thrown in. Nothing fancy, straight forward...

I think the PCT should be pretty simple?

another question, you mentioned T3 for fat loss...is this something that is taken in conjunction with Clen? And will I have results after 6 weeks of T3?

Netro - Hes on Kessar as well - why not Kessar 20/Clomid 50? Less sides.
Why the need for Arimidex post cycle?
You sure about your nuts? I'd use HCG anyway.
Have you already got Primo? - why not Masteron? Cheaper and does the same. Isn't Proviron close to an "oral Masteron"?

Arimidex I need to start using now as the Kessar has not really helped after 2 weeks of Kessar, so I would like to get some ADEX to help...

I still need to order all my gear for these last 4 weeks. So no, I havent got the Primo yet...

@Jackrabbit,
Think he answered your Kessar question and A-Dex question, gyno being the issue. I would agree with jackrabbit on the HCG, just to be safe, but your choice.
I assumed you had all the gear, so budget depending I would go with Primo, it is an awesome compound, but not many can afford the price tag. Masteron will solidify gains and a good alternative.

If I were to give a guy a straight test cycle at that dose I would recommend a PCT of Kessar and clomid, no HCG as the clomid would take care of the nuts as well. You are adding many compounds in the last part of your cycle so best you consider HCG.

Just a note - Aldactone will or might worsen your gyno, so rather stay away.

OK cool, I will definitely take your advice and run Ovidrel. I am going to rather go with prevention rather than cure. I see it comes in 250mcg/ml how much per week and I guess it is split twice per week? Intramuscular? Is there any timing that is specifically required for this?

I am doing this 100% to the “T” so I am definitely going to do the Primo at 250mg per week, that means a 10ml bottle will last week the full 4 weeks assuming it is a 100mg/ml strength. Being an Enanthate, I guess I would only shoot the Primo once per week? Intramuscular?

Masteron doesn’t seem that much cheaper…or am I missing something here?

Thanks once again for the great advice here guys, I know there have been loads of questions from me, still so much to learn.

Depending on what brands you are comparing, there is quite a large price difference.

@Saizen,
Have you decided what gear you are going to use yet bro?

I am thinking about:

Primo Injectable
Winny Tabs
Proviron
Clen tabs
Ovidrel
Arimidex

Just couldnt find Clomid yet...

Netro, can you just help me with timing of dosages?

here is what I think is correct:

Primo, inject once a week for 4 weeks @ 250 mg per week
Winny tabs @ 20mg per day ( I weigh 110 kg's now) but should be weighing in at about 105 when I start winny.
Proviron, no idea whne to take or how much, I know it comes in 250mcg/ml
Clen, start at 60mcg per day and build up to see what my threshold will be. Best time to take Clen is after training? NOT Before?
Arimidex, one tab per day to sort this damn gyno out…
Keep running my Prop as per normal @ about 250-300 mg per week.
Keep running GH @ 2iu per day.

I am finally seeing some great progress now in terms of cm’s lost and BF coming down nicely…just need to get the vascularity coming through now, but i think it could just be water retention.

I want to order:

Primo Injectable
Winny Tabs
Proviron
Clen tabs
Ovidrel
Arimidex

Just couldnt find Clomid yet...

Netro, can you just help me with timing of dosages?

here is what I think is correct:

Primo, inject once a week for 4 weeks @ 250 mg per week
Winny tabs @ 20mg per day ( I weigh 110 kg's now) but should be weighing in at about 105 when I start winny.
Proviron, no idea whne to take or how much, I know it comes in 250mcg/ml
Clen, start at 60mcg per day and build up to see what my threshold will be. Best time to take Clen is after training? NOT Before?
Arimidex, one tab per day to sort this damn gyno out…
Keep running my Prop as per normal @ about 250-300 mg per week.
Keep running GH @ 2iu per day.

I am finally seeing some great progress now in terms of cm’s lost and BF coming down nicely…

sorry for the double post guys...

Hi Bud,
Will comment on the cycle a little later, but clomid is fertomid (most popular since clomi-hexal was discontinued. Same active ingredient and most value for money considering other pharma brands.

Hey Netro,
Just read the HCG debate you and Kraz are having about the HCG. So essentially I should have started HCG weeks ago?
It should be find to start HCG in the last 4 weeks of my cycle? Then end that and start Clomid 4 days after last shot of Prop.
Below is the table Kraz posted up.

Week

---

D/Ball

---

Depotrone --Winstrol---HCG

---

Kessar
--1

---

40mg/D

---

400mg
--2

---

30mg/D

---

400mg

---

250iu 2xWk
--3

---

30mg/D

---

400mg

---

250iu 2xWk
--4

---

400mg

---

250iu 2xWk
--5

---

400mg

---

50mg/D----250iu 2xWk
--6

---

400mg

---

50mg/D----250iu 2xWk
--7

---

400mg

---

50mg/D----250iu 2xWk
--8

---

50mg/D----500iu 2xWk
--9

---

500iu 2xWk
P-10

---

20mg/D
C-11

---

20mg/D
T-12

---

20mg/D

@ Saizen,
I would get the A-Dex now to sort the gyno out.
Primo, would go 300mg/ml for 4 weeks and inject at the same time as the prop, EOD, as your levels will be more consistent.

You will always inject all your compounds on the same protocol as the shortest ester, no matter what other esters you run. This allows for more consistent levels and no spikes.

Winny tabs are good, you will take 4 x 5mg tabs p/d and split those evenly through the day.

Proviron comes in 25mg tabs, start with 2 p/d split and no more than 4 p/d. You judge what is best.

Clen, start at 40mcg p/d and move to your limit, no more than 120mcg and no other fat burners pls.

Think that covers all the questions and let me know if you have any others.

You can mail me as well if you feel they are not suitable for the forum.

Saizen wrote:

Hey Netro,
Just read the HCG debate you and Kraz are having about the HCG. So essentially I should have started HCG weeks ago?
It should be find to start HCG in the last 4 weeks of my cycle? Then end that and start Clomid 4 days after last shot of Prop.
Below is the table Kraz posted up.

Week

---

D/Ball

---

Depotrone --Winstrol---HCG

---

Kessar
--1

---

40mg/D

---

400mg
--2

---

30mg/D

---

400mg

---

250iu 2xWk
--3

---

30mg/D

---

400mg

---

250iu 2xWk
--4

---

400mg

---

250iu 2xWk
--5

---

400mg

---

50mg/D----250iu 2xWk
--6

---

400mg

---

50mg/D----250iu 2xWk
--7

---

400mg

---

50mg/D----250iu 2xWk
--8

---

50mg/D----500iu 2xWk
--9

---

500iu 2xWk
P-10

---

20mg/D
C-11

---

20mg/D
T-12

---

20mg/D

You will have to run 500iu 2 x p/w to catch up, last week run 750iu 2 x p/w and 1st week of PCT 1500iu 2 x p/w. That should sort you out.