First cycle

Evening gents.
I am new to this forum and lifestyle. I have a few questions as to my first cycle and any advice and opinions would be much appreciated. Respect to all for creating this forum in which to educate all new comers and povide knowledge for fellow users.

My stats are
Age : 22
Weight : 75kg
Height : 174cm
B/F : around 12%

My first cycle will be something like this:

Test prop 1.5ml. 3 times a week. week 1-8
dbol 40mg a day for first 2 weeks
winstrol 50mg for first 4weeks (tabs)
kessar 20mg every day
Proviron and clomid PCT
Maybe masteron-not sure.

If any vets, current or past users could advise me on this.
Changes and suggestions are welcome...

Hey Frost welcome bud,

Okay I wouldn't even worry about the d-bol if I were you.

You'll need to tell us what's the mg/ml of the prop first off because 1.5ml means nothing if we don't know the mg.

You would also not need the Kessar through the cycle but rather move it to your PCT.

Move the Winny to the last four weeks of your cycle with the Proviron and just do a straight PCT with Clomid, Kessar and HCG (even though its not on your list of goodies I always feel its safer to include it anyway.)

Im not sure on the mg, will find out-what would be the right amount?
Didnt think that HCG was needed on such a small dosage and first cycle-I want to take the kessar because im worried about side effects-have had an issue as a teen with extra tissue in my left nipple sort of like effects of 'gyno' i think.
Was on kessar and helped a bit-im still not 100% its so slight just psychological and self critical as others dont notice.

But thanks for the reply and info. much rather be safe than sorry

Frost_74 wrote: Evening gents.
I am new to this forum and lifestyle. I have a few questions as to my first cycle and any advice and opinions would be much appreciated. Respect to all for creating this forum in which to educate all new comers and povide knowledge for fellow users.

My stats are
Age : 22
Weight : 75kg
Height : 174cm
B/F : around 12%

My first cycle will be something like this:

Test prop 1.5ml. 3 times a week. week 1-8
dbol 40mg a day for first 2 weeks
winstrol 50mg for first 4weeks (tabs)
kessar 20mg every day
Proviron and clomid PCT
Maybe masteron-not sure.

If any vets, current or past users could advise me on this.
Changes and suggestions are welcome...

You cant run two orals in the same cycle-it will murder you liver.
Test prop needs to be pinned EOD at least

For a first cycle, you'd be better off with a long estered test-test enth for 10-12 weeks at 500mg per week. Dbol as the kicker at 40-50mg per day for 4 weeks. You need an anti e-adex, aromasin or letro and if you like proviron at 50mg per day during the cycle (optional and not necessaty).

Youre pct should include kessar and HCG-check out Doctaris pct thread. Proviron is a steroid and should not be used for pct-it will hamper recovery-even though the level of shut down is tiny with it, you want to recover in pct not use something that is going to further inhibit recovery

If you haven't bought the stuff yet, go for Yohimbe's suggestion.

I havent purchased anything yet.
Will definately go with Yohimbe's suggestions. So you think the estered better then prop for me hey. sorry for ignorance but 'EOD'?
So should i just use what Yohimbe has said and not what i thought my first cycle should be...?

EOD= every other day-prop has a short ester so to maintain steady blood levels you need to pin regularly.
Enth you only need to pin 2x per week.

Also prop is notoriously painful for a first time user and dont think you should make that as a base for a first time cycle. Use it next time as a kicker instead of the dbol until you slowly get used to it.

You have virgin receptors so you will see good growth on test only. The dbol is because the enth ester will take a couple of weeks to reach peak blood levels, so the dbol gives you the quick growth until the enth hits and then maintains that growth.

Understood.
Have read through Doctoris pct thread-alot im not sure of as im new-obviously.
So then to change my cycle as i understand it, would be

Test enth for 10weeks
dbol first 4 weeks
you suggested proviron throughout cycle up to 10weeks then start pct
Winstrol last 4 weeks
PCT= clomid and kesser. kessar day 1 to 7. clomid for how long after?
what for HCG

Frost_74 wrote: Understood.
Have read through Doctoris pct thread-alot im not sure of as im new-obviously.
So then to change my cycle as i understand it, would be

Test enth for 10weeks
dbol first 4 weeks
you suggested proviron throughout cycle up to 10weeks then start pct
Winstrol last 4 weeks
PCT= clomid and kesser. kessar day 1 to 7. clomid for how long after?
what for HCG

Leave the winstrol-youre effectively running orals for 8 weeks-its way too much for your liver. 4 weeks of 17AA orals per cycle should be limit-6 weeks at a push. Proviron is ok because its not 17aa its 1 methylated so isnt harsh on your liver.

Leave the clomid for pct, just use the kessar
Doctaris pct is the best, but a decent pct will be
Week 11-15 hcg 1,000 iu per week (pinned 3x per week)
Week 12-14 Kessar 40mg per week
Week 15-16 Kessar 20mg per week
Lots of vitamon c (2,000mg per day), vit E and EFAs

For extra help with recovery you can use the hcg weeks 5-6 at 1,000iu per week as well to limit the amount of time you are completely shut down.

Also define your goals-winny is more of a cutting drug whereas dbol and test are more for gaining size. Mostly diet dependant anyway, but as a rule of thumb.

Dont forget the anti e on cycle to stop the estrogen conversion-proviron will help somewhat but on a first cyle you dont know how your body will handle estrogen. Err on the side of caution and run either letro at 0.5mg 3x per week, or adex at 0.5mg EOD


Make sure your diet is good to make the most of the cycle-for growth you need to hit the protein at at least 300g-400g per day minumum

Ok perfect will do it as you have told me. only starting the cycle mid jan after holidays. Start of a new year. I eat well so my diet is not a problem-will make sure protein is high for the whole cycle. I though just needed the win to make sure i dont just get blown up or is that wrong impression Possible to run win in last 2 weeks or still putting strain on the liver? Otherwise i think its all good.
Do you think in your experience this being my first cycle and not a beast of building cycle that my libido, and all round intimate ability with the girlfriend will be lowered or a problem at all???

You are running Proviron + Masteron - overkill. There is no way your libido will suffer.

Frost_74 wrote: Ok perfect will do it as you have told me. only starting the cycle mid jan after holidays. Start of a new year. I eat well so my diet is not a problem-will make sure protein is high for the whole cycle. I though just needed the win to make sure i dont just get blown up or is that wrong impression Possible to run win in last 2 weeks or still putting strain on the liver? Otherwise i think its all good.
Do you think in your experience this being my first cycle and not a beast of building cycle that my libido, and all round intimate ability with the girlfriend will be lowered or a problem at all???

I wouldnt worry about the winny-best to use less compounds during your first few cycles as you respond so well at the start. You will have more than enough DHT with the test and proviron without the winny.

Your libido will be through the roof on test and proviron-just make sure you follow the pct routine so you dont suffer down time at the end of the cycle during pct, but during the cycle your GF will be hitting the headboard trying to tap out

Haha, Great response-needed that!!!
Ill los the win and masteron out the cycle and the rest is all she wrote.
Thanks for all the help and advice once i start the cycle ill let you know how im doing and progressing.
Huge Respect to the gents that responded
Train hard...

Good luck bro-nothing like having test coursing through your veins

Well bro all that i can say is do your first cycle properly but more importantly your first pct should be pretty good as well try this pct ikicks ass and i feel great on it.

You will need the following :
1.) 1* LP,HCG 5000IU.
2.) 1* LP Nolva 30 caps.
3.) 1* LP clomid 15 caps.

week:1-4 ,nolva 20mg per day.
week:1-3, HCG 500IU eod(EVERY SECOND DAY)
week: 1, clomid 100mg's per day( 50mg's in the morning with your breakfast and 50mg's with your supper)

I've done this pct many times.It's cheap and effective,but if you gonna ever run deca,tren ect then i would suggest that you run doc's PCT protocol (Ovidrel) being the main killer aspect to that pct.

Hey bro.

Welcome to the forum! You've already received some great advice so i wont say too much.

Just make sure you get some A.I's on hand like adex or letro, depending on whether you want to run preventative measures throughout your cycle(adex) or battle estro sides as they arise (letro). Do not start your cycle until you have one of these.

Side note: Another Pit lover? Diggin the profile pic bud - had 1 just like him - Tyson. One of the best dogs I've ever had.

Peace...

Thanks brother,
I like the look of your pct- will be used!
Rowan great suggestions mate and ill 100% make sure ive got that on hand.
I would like to run preventative measures though the cycle.

That pit pic aint mine-but god do i wish. My family and I have had 4 rottis and 1 pit in the last 22years. All that say about such vicious dogs-just how you bring them up. They were and are apart of our family, they sleep in the bedrooms. Our pit was beautiful big boy named DUKE, perfect big red weighing 57kg. the kind of dog people wish for. Now got my rottis-also a tyson...they just superior to anything else. anyway got something in common.

How is it going yohimbe?

Its been a while. havent had my first cycle yet-last year had a bad incident with clen so been doing everything al naturale.

Been training hard since january and up to 80kg's so been going well. Think im going to do my cycle in next month or so. Seems like I will only be running test. Will let you know.
Can you inform me if my diet is ok.

Breakfast: Oats 100g or 3 pieces of toast and 5 eggs
mid morning : serious mass shake
lunch : 2 cups rice and 2 cans of tuna or 2 chicken breast
afternoon: nuts or lite snack
Pre workout shake
during training shake
post workout serious mass shake
dinner: vegetables and chicken or beef 200-300g
before bed: glass milk

Thats basically what I try eat day to day.

Anyway whats your take on HGH? Do you have to run anything else with it or is alone fine?

Look forwad to reply

too many high calorie sugary shakes, go into the dieting and contest prep section,read dieting 101,that will help u...u dont need gh at this young age,rather wait untill 24-25 before u consider it...

I am bulking up right now so the shakes helping my calories up.
Will los the gh, it was just a question regarding it. I should have gone on gh after i had
shoulder surgery last year but surgeon was against it. Nevertheless im all sorted and been training well last 6months.

I will start a transition phase in about 2 months and there after will start diet and probably do a cycle.

Thanks for the advice though DJ

Calories are all good and well but rather try and get them from extra carbs,fats and Protein if you wanna bulk. The sugars in those shakes are empty calories and not doing to much for you. Rather take some flavored whey, oats,PB + banana and blend together to make your own MRP. That way you can control whats in them.