Kick-Ass lean Mass cycle

As per my previous post, I'm looking to build a lean mass cycle using T-Bol (As suggested) as a front load i.e. less water retention compared to D-bol. Less gains too.

looking to use Test en as a base @ 600mg / week (2 x 300mg / week)

Looking hard at PGW Tren 150 (Enanthate) but apparently it's a bit of a head monster.
Also concerned about gyno from the combo of estrogen & progestin.

Due to the enanthate esters, was thinking a 10 - 12 week cycle, but as pointed out, 10 weeks of tren might just drive me nutty.

What dose of tren is ideal?
How long should I look to run Tren, 5 - 6 weeks?
What clould I replace the tren with for the remainder of the cycle i.e. week 5/6 - 12?

Note: I want it to remain a mass cycle, I'll do cytting in another cycle.
I'm 37, 92kg.

suggestions welcome

thanks

if u running test en for that long and looking for lean gains u might as well add in equipoise... good for lean gains... i grew on just t-bol alone at 30mg a day over a month,strength was very similar to that of dbol but not a sign of water,u will grow on t-bol i love the stuff!! apparently tren messes with your head,so instead of running the enethate ester why not switch to the acetate ester,i think it will do less damage to your brain... the rest is up to others to give u advice on...and if u looking for lean mass might i suggest test prop instead of enethate? less water?

good to hear T-Bol worked well.
I was thinking of switching to test prop towards the end of the cycle, but the small amount of water I gained now on test en & equipoise didn't really bother me at all.
I just don't want to look like a water ballon ready to pop, it's to obvious. I don't mind people speculating but I need to maintain a certain image at the office.

Pointless swithching to test Prop if your going to be running longer esters with it like the tren E and Eq. the all have approx the same clearance times and the whole idea of running a short ester at the end is to help with recovery and being able to start PCT sooner. the amount of bloat saved my switching the a shorte test will be minimal.

Id run
Test E 600mg a week
tren E 150mg a week
Eq 350mg a week
Tbol or D bol frontload for 2 weeks
Prob run Some Winny or Ox in the last days of cycle just befor u start with Kessar but overlaping with HcG should you run that at the end only= Anything from 6 weeks to 10 weeks but i would not exceed Tren for 6-7 weeks. Will give you leanish gains. I usualy have a net gain of about 7kgs afetr 7 weeks of this and my six pack is out from the Tren.

Agree with MxT here, if you switch esters then switch them all. I would do the following:
Keep the cycle 12 weeks.
First 8 weeks run like MxT suggested, but without the Tren, so test en, equi and oral front load. Last 4 weeks I would switch to test prop at the same dose as the first 8 weeks, drop the equi and replace with tren ace and optional masteron to solidify the gains. Run oral winny (like suggested) at a low dose as cortizol will be high then (0.2mg per kg body weight), you can start your PCT sooner and recovery quicker.

You now have 2 options and IMO either would be good.

I personally like the short ester hardeners at the back end and winny to hit back at corti.

It will be a rough 4 weeks and that depends on your doses.

thanks for the guidance.

Well all good and well but post your weekly stats when on the cycle. makes for great reading and will help you gauge obejectivaly post cycle what works for you and doesnt cos guidance is one thing but the most powerfull things are knowledge and knowing your body. Thats will make the differnace between good and great!!!

will do, but first gotta finnish my first cycle & PCT. I'm on week 11 of 12.

How long are you going to wait before the next one? ON + PCT = Off?

Sound advice but blood tests are first prize

MXT what would the min be then? If you have a great PCT and recover to normal levels quickly does that warrant dropping the rule?

ON + PCT = Off is the plan but....

Shit I won't lie, I'm eager to just get through it. So I'll do the blood work to see if I can get on sooner.

BTW
What should I ask the lab to test for, test levels?
Can I just cruise into any lab and ask to have the test done?

I use pathcare, you just walk in fill in the form and they take your blood.
I usually test total testosterone and free testosterone, LH and
FSH are also useful.

Try:

www.steroid.com/blog/2008/07/15/dipasqua...k-for-steroid-users/