Cycle Advice - Test

First of all, happy new-year to all of you, may this be one great year.

If possible, I would like some help on my bulking cycle.
I am 88kg, 1.82m and around 12% body fat.
Previous cycles was:
*Deca300 and dbol (600MG deca / week) 5kg gain over 10weeks - lost 80% of gains.
*Just Deca 600mg for 10 weeks. 5kg gains - lost most of it.
*Equipoise for 10 weeks with stanozol - not allot of gains.
*Sust250 with stanozol for 10 weeks - no gains, got more def.
*few more cycles with deca and oxandralone/depotron/dbol

All my cycles is 10 weeks, with post cycle Pregnyl 1500 for 3 weeks and kessar/nolvedex.

As you can see, these did not work well for me. The Deca alone was a better option for me.

Now I want to go on a real bulking cycle.
I was wondering, do I go for 600mg Deca and 600mg Nomaviron per week for 10 weeks?
or 1200mg Nomaviron for 10 weeks?
Post cycle: Pregnyl and Clomid.

I usually get puffy nipples (sensitive) during my cycles. (estrogen/gynecomastia?)
Read about using Nomadex during the cycle, but then running the risk of less gains from the cycle.
Then maybe running Proviron during the cycle instead??
I really do not know witch one of the two?

Did do allot of reading, but got confused mostly.
Allot of people like the nomadex - allot like the Proviron.
Stacking the Test with Equipoise, and others say rather go for more Test??

Can you please help me to make the best decision in your opinion?

hey bud

Shoe, u've done quite a few cycle's with quite a few mishaps it seems. I think diet played a big roll in ur past gains not being to great and pct was not strong enough to keep gains. Also i quess another thing could have been bank gear u been using too.

I think a straight test and deca cycle with a proper diet will do u great. Post up ur current diet if u like or u can just go strait to DJ for 1 ( our resident diet guru ) but he does charge but worth every penny.

How exactly did u run ur past pct's?
Also on those deca only cycle's didn't u suffer from deca d!ck?

Hi

Sorry to be funny but Deca alone was probably the dumbest thing you could have done. You shouldn't be doing a cycle without Testosterone. And around 50% more test than the deca. EG: 1 gram of Test and 500/600mg of Deca, would be a great cycle.

The trick is to also have a short acting anabolic agent like Winstrol or Anavar, etc and use that during the 2 weeks you wait to start PCT. After those 2 weeks the long easters have worked their self out of your system and you can start to increase natural test levels.

Proviron will do nothing for puffy nipples, trust me I have run doses unheard of. Your problem sounds like progesterone and not estrogen. You are using cycles with 19 nore so it sounds like prolactin (puffy nipples, etc). You will need to use a drug like dostinex or parlodel. However the only way to know for certain what the cause is, is to get bloods done and check for estrogen and prolactin. Then you know what drug to use to combat the side effects. If it is estrogen related then a lose dose of adex or letro (letro around 0.25mg eod.) You will not lose gains with this as you will build up more solid / lean muscle and not have so much 'fat deposits (estrogen)' and will aid in keeping your gains. Also low doses of an AI are known to increase natural test levels and spike libido.

What dose did you run the sustanon at?

How long break have you had since your last day of PCT ?

What are you trying to achieve? Huge mass or trying to retain most of your gains?

If you looking for mass, dbol front load for 4 weeks and 14 weeks of Deca (600mg/w) / Test 1gram. Bring anavar in at around week 12 60/80mg a day till week 16, when you start the PCT.

If you looking for lean mass, dbol front load for 4 weeks and 16 weeks of Test / EQ. (Test at 1gram) / (EQ at 700mg). If you can afford it use Primo at 600mg and run that till week 17. Start anavar from week 15 through till week 19 and go straight onto PCT. I would also run Proviron from week 16 till day of PCT to keep libido high (while you not taking test).

Please note option 2 is a very advance cycle but you will achieve amazing results.
Also I never saw anything regarding your diet. As that is where gains are kept or lost.

Ill do that second one with Deca in stead of EQ. Same dosages. Add Proviron from the start at +- 40mg-60mg(LP). Winstrol at the back.
Found the sweet spot but late in this cycle. Next one will be as above and like 00pump suggests - try out Primo!
BTW - i find my nipples vary during cycle - when the test seems a bit low the nipple goes puffy. Play with more frequent injections and maybe the Proviron dosage. Also the AI!!!! learn the dosage that works for you.
As my fat drops so does the puffyness as well so look out for that.

jack you are 100% correct. If your test levels are low, this can cause gyno. Remeber DHT is a natural AI in your body too. So if you suppressing with finpecia you can develop gyno (one of the side effects of propecia actually).

Also as you know 1 shot of 100mg of deca can be 100% supressive, so that is why it's so important to increase the dose of test when using deca. So you don't develop gyno.. The only catch to his statement above is you only really get high progesterone levels when you high estrogen levels.

So using an AI during the cycle could prevent gyno caused from deca too.

Also the reason I opt for Anavar over Winstrol is you have put your body under allot of strain during this peroid and using something less mild would prevent less damage to the liver hence lower cholesterol levels or getting a hepatic disease. Specially seeing that you adding more toxicity into the body with the Nolva/Clomid.

Thanks for the quick reply guys,

Yes, i figured i made quite alot of mistakes. Lucky for my no major side effecs like deca d1ck. My diet during these cycle is usually steamed vegies, fish, chicken breasts and pasta. I will cut alot on the salt, and no sugars.
PCT will start two weeks after the last shot. 1500UI Pregnyl per week for 3 weeks. 40mg Nomadex per day for three weeks.

Well, i am thinking of doing a competition next year. So i've got time to save up some money, and do it propperly this time. With the help of you guys..

Zhaarkie hmmm, 1500iu per shot 3 times a week? or 1500iu split into 500iu shots?

How is the HCG administered, eod, weekly, etc?

From the type of shutdown the deca would cause you would need to use close on 8000iu of HCG during your PCT or around 5000iu of sythetic human chorionic gonadotropin (ovidrel)

Diet is very important and calories needed to be matched based on your weight and body type. You will find you can get allot better results with a custom diet for your goals and body stats. If you like you can use the contact us at the top of the page and send DJ a request for a diet. He does charge, but very minimal...

00pump, my shots for the pregnyl was one shot 1500iu every monday for three weeks. Now the 1500Pregnyl is discontiniued and only 5000 is available. Unfortunately this is the only stuff i can get hold of and no Ovidrel.
This is the 2nd time i got refeered to DJ - looks like he's on top of my list.
I will most likely go with your advance cycle, just need to check on the prices and availability.

Do i understand correctly if i say: a possible reason for getting gyno during a cyle with Deca is to little Test??

Zhaarkie wrote: 00pump, my shots for the pregnyl was one shot 1500iu every monday for three weeks. Now the 1500Pregnyl is discontiniued and only 5000 is available. Unfortunately this is the only stuff i can get hold of and no Ovidrel.
This is the 2nd time i got refeered to DJ - looks like he's on top of my list.
I will most likely go with your advance cycle, just need to check on the prices and availability.

HCG needs to be administered in shots on an EOD basis, eg: Mon / Wed / Fri. Using it once a week is pretty much useless and running it at 1500iu a shot and not using aromasin will for sure cause gyno to people that are sensitive. Rather draw that shot up into an Insulin syringe and shoot it every other day in shots of 500iu.

Zhaarkie wrote: Do i understand correctly if i say: a possible reason for getting gyno during a cyle with Deca is to little Test??

Yes however in your case it sounds more like prolactin.

Thank you for the advice 00pump.
Just a few more questions if you dont mind....
**dbol front load for 4 weeks - can i use Oxymethelone?
**Bring anavar in at around week 12 60/80mg a day - this is not available for me, can i go for winstrol?
I never used a Insulin syringe before in my life, to be honest, i'm scared to mess up with one. Do you have to keep the pregnyl in the freezer? I read somewhere that you have to keep it in the freezer without letting it freez???? Hoe the hell do you do that?

You can use anadrol, I wouldn't go past 1 cap / tab (50mg) and run it for only 2/3 weeks. Only thing is anadrol makes me feel really crap where dbol makes me feel good. So your choice.

You can use winstrol at the end at 50mg. It's simple use a slin needle, it's just like any other needle, you draw it up, but it has markings all the way up. For argument sake, you have 5000iu HCG with 1 ml solvent you draw that up, so every pointer on the syringe would be 500iu. If its 5000iu for 2ml, its every second marker, etc.. Basic maths

No don't freeze it just keep it in the fridge.

He he he - thank you 00pump. better safe than sorry. Really, you have no idea how much you helped me.