First Cycle- Boom.

Howzit guys.
First post ever on the forum and pretty stoked finding this website, has helped me gain great insight in to the world of anabolics.
Anyway starting my first cycle soon and been doing plenty research! Just wanted to see what you guys think and any advice- wanna keep things mellow and not too complicated.

Week 1-4 dbol 40mg/daily
Week 1-12 test cyp 750mg/wk
Week 9-12 proviron 50mg/daily (or winny orals)
Week 6-13 500iu hcg

PCT:
Week 14-16 nolva 20mg/daily
Also gonna run letro 0.2mg eod throught out cycle until first day nolva starts.

Any comments would be great, also wanted some insight as to whether I should use proviron or winny orals. My bf is pretty decent and not too worried about cutting near end of cycle.

Swheet

Hey bro, please post ur stats...

age, weight, bf%, how long have you been lifting etc

first off welcome second off :your cycle looks good,maybe consider dropping the test to 500mg a week as it is your first cycle,save the hcg for your pct as test alone is not gonna cause servere shut down like deca or tren would so it is pointless running it through the cycle...

i would also suggest u move your pct to 4 weeks after your last cyp shot, pct starts roughly at 3x the longest ester half life. so cyp has a 12day half life so 36days is usual start time for pct after cyp,but being only 500mg u can get away with 2x 12days so 24 days post last shot...in those 24 days use winstrol and proviron to drop any excess water and free up any additional testosterone, then start your pct with kessar and 500iu HCG eod...

Tremere- I had a feeling guys would ask this...

Age: 23
Weight:62
Bf: 9-12%
Height: 1.58m

Been lifting for about 5 years on and off- been gyming religiously five days a week for yr and half. Diet is in check and eat like a machine based on dietitng sticky... Shot

Thanks DJ- Sorry, i actually meant for my PCT to start four weeks after last shot, based on the half life of cyp- just posted it incorrectly. But thanks for the advice on hcg and winstrol. Been pretty unsure about how to tackle that part. Cheers

post up your diet please...

welcome man and congrats on doing some research and proposing a very good first cycle! i agree with dj, drop the test to 500mg. good luck!

Ja, well done i.am Nice to see someone research properly before coming on here. I also agree with 500mg Test pw on your first cycle. Good luck with your cycle man.

Howzit bud.
Welcome to the board!

That cycle looks tops - carbon copy of what my 2nd is looking like! Plain & simple.

You should see some really nice gains off of that.

Well done on taking the time to do some independant research first!

Maybe as a 1st cycle, drop the test to 500mg pw and maybe even the dbol to 30mg for 1st 2 weeks then bump up to 40mg for last 2 weeks depending on how you're feeling.

Good luck bud.

hi guys
why do you guys say drop the test...?
in my ideal cycle i will ramp it up as the weeks go by...came across a bit of info a while back of benefits of ramping doses(ONLY ON TEST) i liked that idea but thats just me...a NOVICE it just made perfect sence for ME

vlakkie wrote: hi guys
why do you guys say drop the test...?
in my ideal cycle i will ramp it up as the weeks go by...came across a bit of info a while back of benefits of ramping doses(ONLY ON TEST) i liked that idea but thats just me...a NOVICE it just made perfect sence for ME

Vlakkie one never knows how one's body is going to respond to a first cycle of injecting exogenous test into their bodies. Some can have really adverse affects to even 300mg a week and some (albeit a very few) can get away with a first cycle of 750mg a week.

Studies have shown that a dose of 500mg is not only safe (er)for a beginner but its at this dose that the htpa shutdown:gains ratio becomes worth it. Besides - higher test = higher estro conversion = higher rate of amromatization = spending much more $ on ancillaries and anti e drugs while on cycle.

I got away with 500mg a week over 10 weeks with no on cycle ai and had no issues other than very slightly puffy nips which disappeared as soon as i started my kessar during pct.

You're quite right - one could start at say 500mg and taper up pending their body's reaction, but then you begin to destabalize your (by then) stable blood levels.

I guess we're all different in make up and we will all respond differently but my humble opinion is that 750mg is too much for a first cycle for the average Joe.

rather start off cautiously, get some decent gains and alter the cycle for the next time.

what you say make even more sence that clears that up for me thanx rowan much appreciated

just one last thing...as you put it if im understanding correctly...

gains on 750pw and gains on 500pw will be the same just less sides?

please correct me if i have it wrong

Vlakkie I'm afraid you have misunderstood bud

Lets say there are 2 guys - both identical stats in weight, height etc. Both have great diets by DJ and good workout programmes.

Guy a injects 750 pw
Guy b injects 500 pw

Guy a will make better gains as he is pinning 250mg more hormone a week than guy b.

There will be sides with 500mg and there will be sides with 750mg. Sides as with gains are dose dependant.


All i was stating previously was that 750mg per week for a 1st cycle may be a bit too much.
With me bud?

lets look at the maths her rowan :

Guy a injects 750 pw
sleeps 5 hours a night and does 20-30 sets pre body part (hence the reason for 5hours sleep as he is over training)
Guy b injects 500 pw
sleeps 7-8 hours a night does max 12-16 sets per muscle group

guy b will get better results. also genetics etc so its not always easy to say who will do what etc... i still state that 500mg is enough for a first cycle if diet is clean for 6.5days a week then good muscle gain is possible as long as there is sufficient rest etc.

crystal clear...