How to combat bitch tits during cycle

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06 Sep 2007 22:45 #65 by kraz
\"BITCH TITS\"

My friend recently started taking Mega Anadrol, 19-Nor and 1-AD at the recommended dosages at the same time.

After about 7 days he started to show signs of \"Bitch Tits\".

We are now looking for the most effective way to combat this. Should he stop the cycle immediately and do PCT, or should he continue the cycle and administer Kessar to combat this?

If he was to stop the cycle and use PCT immediately, what will be an affective PCT to follow?

Lemme know what you guys think. (Eco and MxT I'm looking for you expert opinions).

Thanx Guys

Kraz:)

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08 Sep 2007 15:08 #86 by chemical g
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All the above mentioned chemicals your friend is using are pro hormones or I assume they are and if he is sensitive to androgens he can use a supplement called Chrysin X its an anti est that will be sufficient enough to sort out early signs of Gyno. I really dont think PST is necessary with pro hormones.

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08 Sep 2007 17:46 #90 by admin
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Personally, I feel that PCT is necessary for prohormones, because they will convert into steroids that are suppressive.

Eg. 1-AD converts into 1-Testosterone and 19-Nor into Nandrolone.

Look at the side-effects in my 1-androstenediol (1-AD) profile.<br><br>Post edited by: admin, at: 2007/09/08 11:48

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10 Sep 2007 10:19 #93 by MxT
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Crysin X doesnt work. AND ist very expensive and prety hard to come by. Run some kessar ar 20mg a day for the first week-that should take care of it and then go doen to 10mg a day for maintance-if you still have itch nipples after thef irt week stop the cycle for a week and continue with the kessar. Otherwise-dont to Prohormones again and use a test base like Test Prop with Winstrol for ur next cycle-which ironicaly will haev less sides than prohormones-THATS asuuming ur over 23 cos then you shouldnt have been using anything in the first place.

Published in the International Journal of Sport Nutrition &amp; Exercise Metabolism, this study examined the effects of chrysin on serum testosterone concentrations and adaptations to resistance training in healthy young men. The scientists specifically wanted to see if chrysin or indol-3-Carbinol increased testosterone levels or reduced the aromatization effects of androstenedione (a prohormone).

The study revealed that chrysin did not result in increased serum testosterone concentrations or reduce the estrogenic effect of androstenedione. Also, chrysin did not enhance the results of resistance training.

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10 Sep 2007 11:17 #94 by admin
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Prohormones are something of the past; the only use it ever had was when they were still legal, but now that prohormones are also illegal you might as well use steroids.

As I already said, 19-Nor converts into Nandrolone; so why don’t everyone just use Nandrolone (Deca, Nandro-Prop) in the first place. Nandrolone is much safer than 19-Nor and then you get a much better concentration of Nandrolone and you don’t have to worry about the poor conversion rate of prohormones.

I agree with MxT on the Crysin X. The most effective anti-estrogen drugs are the drugs used by woman with breast cancer (Kessar, Arimidex), because those drugs are specifically made to stop the effects of estrogen. These so called anti-estrogen supplements like 6-OXO... are nothing more than a sales scam. Don’t get me wrong, those supplements will have some (very little) effect on someone that’s not using steroids, but you will need a proper anti-e for aromatizing anabolics.

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12 Sep 2007 19:20 #100 by kraz
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What PCT cycle do you guys think will be sufficient for the above mentioned cycle. Emphasis should be placed on to try and maintain what was gained on cylce :blush:

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14 Sep 2007 04:11 #116 by Doctari
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Fact:
Kessar = tamoxifen. It was used initially as an anti-oestrogen in the treatment of breast cancer in both male and females. Tamoxifen is very specific in that it only blocks the oestrogen receptors in breast tissue. A new drug was needed for those individuals at higher risk for metastatic breast cancer, a drug that will block the aromatses enzymes higher up in the steroid producing cascade that yields testosterone, oestrogens and progesterones. Enter Arimidex and Femara - at an extremely expensive cost. One month's supply more than R1400,00. But it effectively blocks all oestrogen receptors - this is where the \&quot;down side\&quot; in body building comes in. We need oestrogen production for muscle growth and to keep our tendons elastic. Thus, when trying to \&quot;bulk up\&quot;, Arimidex and friens are not good choices as anti -oestrogens, but when prepping pre-contest, they work perfectly during the last 4 weeks pre-show, driving off water retention due to oestrogen build up.Thus, it is my personal opinion that tamoxifen is a better choice to use to suppress gynaemastia, when on bulking cycle. It is way much cheaper, 20mg is more than enough per day. If you are a known oestrogen-sensitive individual, I would suggest starting your cycle using Kessar right from the word go. It is much more difficult to get rid of gynaemastia, if it has already \&quot;flared up\&quot;. Kessar's work is only limited to breast tissue and will thus not curtail growth at muscle and tendon oestrogen receptor level.

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14 Sep 2007 11:59 #117 by kraz
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Thanx Doctor :)

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