Quality lean mass options

Hey Guys! I am already contemplating what I want to do 2012 (premature, I know). The rest of this year I’ll experiment with training splits and diet. Next year I would like to put on some quality lean mass. Not too much since I still prefer the fitness model look. Maybe I’ll do a fitness show as well. I want to kick off the year with one of the following cycles:

Option 1:
Week 1-15: Supertest @ 640mg/week
Frontload: Dbol @ 40mg ed week 1-4 or anapolan @ 50mg ed for 7 weeks
Week 1-9: Proviron @60mg ed
Week 10-15: Winstrol @ 50mg ed
Arimidex @ 0.2mg ed
T3 will be run for 9 weeks somewhere in cycle with clen being cycled 2 weeks on/2weeks off during same period
HCG @ 250IU eod for 3 weeks in middle
Basic PCT

Option 2:
Week 1-12: Supertest @ 512mg/week (1.6ml)
Week 1-12: EQ @ 560mg/week (1.6ml)
Week 1-6: Proviron @ 60-80mg ed
Week 7-12: Winstrol @ 50mg ed
Arimidex @ 0.2mg ed
HCG @ 250IU eod for 3 weeks in middle
T3 for 6 weeks somewhere in cycle
Basic PCT

Reason I added winstrol at end of cycle and not in timeframe leading to PCT is because I normally go to Europe in may so I’ll plan cycle that I leave I day after last pin
Which of these do you guys think will give best quality gains

Thanks in advance

Id do option 2, and maybe do the prov from week 1 to 12 or the last 6 weeks with the winni. Just my thoughts.

I'm leaning towards option 2.

I'd personally push the test higher and run the Proviron right through the cycle

Option 2 with the EQ looks better imo. I'd definitely up the Test though. I'd also run the Proviron for longer.

My reasom for running the proviron up until the winstrol is just to try stay nice and hard till i get to winstrol and then the winni would handle that issue till end of cycle. But i guess running proviron right through is beneficial. Maybe up the supertest to 2ml/week then. Looking forward to see what the EQ does

@ SNOK: Why would you consider running the proviron rather at end of cycle with the winni (i know your 1st choice is running it entire cycle)

Where in cycles would you guys add the T3?

Reason for me would be by then at the end of the cycle you receptors need a bit of help so the proviron will free up some testoterone lingering around ur body that is being stubborn. In combination with the winni will give nice hard lean gains at end of the cycle, could drop some water as well.

But if u can, run it through ur entire cycle.

Run the T3 anytime once the Test has kicked in nicely. You can also run it longer than 6 weeks if you want

I'd also suggest running it earlier than later in the cycle

Thanks for all the input guys! Just a quick one: which would be more beneficial, running the proviron through cycle or upping the supertest to 2ml per week?

If i get another vial of supertest and run at 2ml/week i would effectively add another 3 weeks to my cycle to finish it (dont like having stuff left). Probably not a bad thing but that also means effectively adding another 3 weeks of proviron on top of the 6 extra weeks if i run it through cycle. I can stick to 12 weeks and just up the supertest dosage but i dont know if i wanne be running 800mg of test/week. Maybe i over analyze........

First and foremost, I would up the Test. Your ratio of Test to Eq is a little low imo, not enough Test for the amount of EQ. Then run the proviron for as long as you want/can afford. Imo the Test to EQ ratio is the most important here, especially if you want to put on muscle at a decent rate.

Although EQ has very little sides, it does suppress sexual function and is quite slow as a muscle builder, so I would rather run more Test for the amount of EQ. Running the Proviron will also help with any libido issues.

It's going to be hard to cut with it though, cos it's probably going to make you eat like a horse.

Ok guys im following ur advise and taking option 2. Im adjusting the cycle to the following: Pls comment:

Week 1-15: Supertest @ 640mg/week
Week 4-15: EQ @ 560mg/week
Week 1-15: Proviron @ 60mg ed
Week 10-15: Winstrol @ 50mg ed
T3 week 4-12 (9 weeks)
Arimidex @ 0.2mg ed
HCG @ 250IU week 7-9 eod
PCT: 45days after last pin and will consist of clomid/nolvadex/hcg/aromasin

What u guys think? I know it would be great running EQ from week 1 but that's not going to happen. DJ will be working his wonders with a new diet in this period

Why is eq not being run from day one... it doesn't make sense

I think it looks nice. The Equi from day 1 would have been optimal.

00pump wrote: Why is eq not being run from day one... it doesn't make sense

The original cycle lenth was 12 weeks. Im upping the supertest dosage and in order to use all the supertest im buying the cycle length extends to 15 weeks. EQ still running for 12 weeks. So it can either be the first 12 weeks or the last 12 weeks

ABC01 wrote:

00pump wrote: Why is eq not being run from day one... it doesn't make sense

The original cycle lenth was 12 weeks. Im upping the supertest dosage and in order to use all the supertest im buying the cycle length extends to 15 weeks. EQ still running for 12 weeks. So it can either be the first 12 weeks or the last 12 weeks

It has a longer ester. You should run it from the start and continue a long estered test for a while after.

Will run it from day one. Thanks Jackrabbit