Cost effective cycle

Hi Guys and Gals,

I am wanting to go on another cycle soon and was wondering what is the most cost effective cycle... most punch for your buck! I don't mind if I get a little water retention but looking for good lean gains.
What should I take and how much of it should I take?

Below is pretty much my eating plan which is pretty solid and I keep to it 6 days of the week.

The Eating plan
07:30 100g raw oats with 60g whey protein with salt/sugar free p.butter
10:00 250g chicken fillet basmati rice
12:00 60g whey in water and banana/apple, with 3 rice cakes
15:00 Same as 10:00 meal
16:30 60g whey in water
17:20 TRAINING
19:00 60g whey in water
20:00 10 egg white omelet with two yolks or 250g chicken/steak with veg

I do eat XXL mince when I can get it a good price - chop and change
with the chicken. Once a week I have a cheat day.

Extras: Coffee, green tea, Multi vitamin, ZMA, Vit C, fish oils, clen or eca.
Drink 3- 4 liters of water a day

The Stats
Weight: 86kg's
Height: 1.75cm
Fat percentage(if possible): +/- 15%
Training: 4-5 years... training seriously as a "bodybuilder" for about 1 and a half of them.

hmmmm thats alot of whey dude,rather substitue the whey for whole proteins such as chicken,fillet steak,eggs,and cottage cheese. it looks like u are going through +/- 250grams of whey a day...that works out to be pretty damn expensive if u ask me...like 6-7kgs a month... rather just stick to 1 or 2 whey shakes a day,1 before u train and 1 after the rest would be best coming from whole food champ.... whats your budget looking like for your cycle?

Yes it is allot of whey, but the 60g is at max per shake. Normally two scoops.
I have to squeeze in my meals easily as I don't have time for eating meals because of my work.
But also get chicken very cheap as well, R22 per kg filleted breasts.
I suppose I could quickly chow 2 breasts with the rice cakes instead of the shake at 12:00.

My budget is a little bit flexible... if I need gear I'll cut down on the sups and going out that month. Just buy a little more chicken to substitute. I normally look at about R1000 - R1500 for a cycle.

ummmm jeepers thats a bit low, i mean u looking at about R700-800 just on your pct (kessar and pregnyl) which leaves u pretty much test... why not look at saving up a bit more and then doing a better cycle.... PCT is vital in my opinion,why spend all that money to grow and loose it at the end?

sorry bro forgot to mention that excludes my PCT...

oh well then thats a different dynamic... ummm u might need a bit more but look at a test + equi + dbol(front load with dbol) cycle...

Yeh I was thinking of doing equi again... love that stuff good lean gains... plus boosts my appetite.
What kind of test, and dosage per week?

well depending on the money u could either do testen or if have lots of money and like injecting then test prop is a good idea..

@ Skyth, dude, I was looking at your diet now and I dont see ANY carbs post workout. This is THE most important time to get carbs in and especially High GI carbs. I would suggest eating 10 rice cakes post weights workout. They are HIGH GI, and are perfect for post workout meal along with Protein shake...

Hope this helps.

Dude, if you can get Test Prop, get it, it isnt too expensive and I have had great results from it. Just take the Prop, Equi and Dbol...clean simple stack.

good luck bro...

Another point, again the carbs issue...no carbs pre training either? Save your banana/apple for pre workout (half an hour before) with Whey, then post workout have your Whey and Rice cakes. Dont forget to add in some raw Almonds (EFA's are very very NB)

Yeh shot Saizen, I normally have a meal replacement shake before training chop and change depending what sups are in the pantry.
But will defiantly chow an apple/ banana and get a little bit of an insulin spike

I am keen for that cycle... what about tbol?
How much you reckon I should be using and for how long?

champ u need to feed to grow,why not read up on the forum u will see some dieting threads... work out your calories and do some reading up on nutrition information on the products u will be adding into your diet, work out a 50% carbs,30% protein and 20% fats... that will give u enough energy to push heavy weights and will have enough protein to grow muscle...

an average dosage of tbol is 30-50mg per day for the first 2-4weeks...do thats with 350mg of equi a week for 10weeks and 1.1-1.2mls of test prop ever second day(just over 100mg) and u should be sorted... but good luck finding some tbol at the moment though

I would take this advice to heart and am impressed with it, well done guys. I actually have nothing to add

Skyth, bud, excuse me if I come across a bit blunt here:)

OK, dude you gotta stop with all these god damn shakes! You need REAL food to grow...not shakes. They are full of sugars, dextrose blah blah blah. let me ask you this question, how do you think your liver and kidneys handle all that crap in the protein powders, all the aspartame the dextrose?

This is not the way to "add lean muscle" the only way is to stick to 2 protein ONLY shakes and get your carbs from the rice cakes etc from the previous mail.

The rest of the day you need to eat whole solid food. Try eat raw broccoli for for 12 weeks 2-3 meals a day with a tin of tuna and 15 raw almonds and some rice as a meal. Now that is one power meal!!!

I also have a very fast paced job bro, you need to prepare and pack every night before work. Learn to cook...it becomes invaluable in the long run. Prepare on a Sunday for the next 2-3 days, cook up some ostrich mince, chicken breasts and some rice. Youre set for work! Make time at work to eat as well. And this will save you TONS of cash as I am sure you are spending a fortune on powder...

Rather take the cash that you save and put it into one best quality Protein powder like Optimum Nutrition Gold Whey Standard.

Train, eat, work, sleep...DO IT! Fuck the jolling...that will come in December. LOL!

Hope this helps.

agree with saizen on this one dude, look at his transformation,it speaks wonders!! quality sources of food are needed, what u chould even do is stagger your calorie intake, take your daily maintaince calories after u have devided into your macro nutrients then devide it into 6, and have your biggest meals at breakfast and lunch, and then have small snacks between breakfast and lunch and between lunch and dinner, that way you can just "sneak off to the bath room" and u can gobble down your food on the way to take a wizz.... just make sure that u get in all the caloires u need in that 24 hour period! if you are worried about picking up body fat then keep your carbs to the first 4 meals of the day. and even then make your biggest carbs meals breakfast and lunch. so for example if u have allowed yourself 200grams of carbs for the day do it like this, 50 grams post work(fast acting high gi carbs to give u an insulin spike) out which leaves u with 150 grams which u would split between your first 4 meals. have 50 grams for breakfast, 50grams for lunch and then 25grams in between lunch and breakfast and in between lunch and dinner...that way you have a small meal to gobble down quickly whilst at work. then split your protein and fats equally between your 6 meals... carbs are energy and not always the devil,you want to be able to have enough energy to push your body to the limits but if u do start getting fat try and increase the intensity of your works or add in some cardio or even cut back on your calories if u prefer... one thing is for certain rather get your nutrients from proper whole food sources rather than protein powders. all protein powders are is powdered food and a couple of added minerals that u would get from taking BCAA's and a good multi vitamin. rather keep it simple...

Thats why i changed to WAR whey protein,no aspartemine nocolourants its sweetend with sucrolose.they have also come out with a whey with no flavour no sweeteners at all just whey.Have a look at the product warsupplements.com

Sorry but i have to agree to grow you need to eat .Remember thats why its called a supplement its ment to do that supplement your diet not replace your food.

Hey thanks guys for your input. As of last week my diet changed immediately.

Saizen - be at blunt as you want bro... I respect the honesty. The more I can learn about nutrition/food the better. Crit away bro.

But I am still wondering how to get my protein with my first meal, because I will be cutting out the whey. Other than whipping up an omelet every morning. Whey and oats goes down easy in the morning, when I don't have that much of appetite. Any tips?

So will only be sucking down a shake before and after training?
My protein of choice will be chicken. Carbs = basmati rice and veggies.

Will have that as meal 2, 3 and 4, protein shake, TRAIN, protien shake, then last meal of the day will be steak/chicken with veggies for dinner. What you guys reckon?

Use the whey in the morning, nothing wrong with that, but first prize would be protein from egg whites. I just boil and toss the yolk or you can get eggnology or something like that.

remember carbs before and after training is very important...rice cakes post workout with protein.

I know i have to stick with whey in the morning i just cant face anymoe freakin egg whites