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hotshot
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14 Oct 2008 21:24 #6677 by hotshot

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I'm in my fourth week of a planned 5 week cycle of winstrol and test prop - 55mg winny per day and 100mg prop eod. the gains so far have been ok, but í'm looking at extending the cycle.

i was originally planning to include tren ace in the cycle at 80mg eod. will it be a good idea to start the tren ace when the winny is finshed (for 5 weeks) and extend the prop as well?

any suggestions?

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Skyth
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14 Oct 2008 22:11 #6679 by Skyth

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Hey Bro,
I take it you using winny tabs?
What are you expecting from this cycle? Mass, lean, cutting???

I personally would take test prop every three days since its active life is 2-3 days!

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hotshot
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15 Oct 2008 08:21 #6683 by hotshot

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i am expecting to gain a few kgs and get more lean. so far it's not going too bad. i have picked up about 2kgs in just over 3 weeks.

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Netro
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15 Oct 2008 08:27 #6684 by Netro

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You can add your Tren A, but would advise 4 weeks and mix in the same syringe as the prop and inject EOD as well. Just keep some Letro on hand in case you need it. If you are expoeriencing bad sides you can increase the injection frequency and aim for more stable and consistant levels, KEEP THE DOSE THE SAME OR DROP IT SLIGHTLY, if you inject the same amount more frequently your sides will just get worse. Protect your kidneys and liver as well. PCT would be Letro, HCG and clomid and start 3 days after last shot. HCG you can start 1 week after your Tren has started.

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cjlouw
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15 Oct 2008 09:14 #6687 by cjlouw

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I peronnaly wont stay on any course longer then 6 weeks. You will get water & salt retention. Rather change your course to differnt products, and stack. It just keep your reflectors in your body clicking the hole time. And give your body a rest, so that your body can re-adjust & learn to function on its own. I keep my courses on 6 weeks on & then 3 to 6 weeks off, depending on what i used.

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Netro
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15 Oct 2008 09:22 #6688 by Netro

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Reflectors?

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cjlouw
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15 Oct 2008 09:28 #6689 by cjlouw

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Sorry Bro, your receptors, in your body

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Skyth
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15 Oct 2008 10:21 #6693 by Skyth

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cjlouw, what kind of 6 week cycles do you go on?
I have never found a cycle, that I have been really impressed with over 6 weeks.

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cjlouw
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15 Oct 2008 10:45 #6694 by cjlouw

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My deca300 & sustanon course was 6 weeks. My next cousre was test-suspention, anabols & tren 150, also 6 weeks. I then went on metvets, testen 300 & deca 300. I swop these courses around. My best gains was on test-suspention, tren & anabols(oral).

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Skyth
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15 Oct 2008 11:43 #6696 by Skyth

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How much were you taking a week of each, and what were your gains like?
Also how long did you use the oral anabols for?

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cjlouw
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15 Oct 2008 14:45 #6698 by cjlouw

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2 ml deca twice a week mixed with the sustanon, anabols was 20 a day on training days only. Test-suspention 2 ml twice a week, only thing is that test-suspention burned the living kak out if me for the first 3 weeks. Later on it got a bit better. tren 150 2 ml twice a week. Metvets was 5 pills a day on training day's only, testen 300 2 ml twice weekly & deca 300 2 ml twice weekly. My best gains was on test-suspention, metvets & anabols, picked up 11 kg in 6 weeks. The steriod users informed me that if you stay on a course to long, you will have water & salt retention. They also say that your uptake of the steroid is lower if the course is to long. What is your idea on it?

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Netro
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15 Oct 2008 15:09 #6699 by Netro

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Just to comment on the steroid loosing potency. It's not that at all, your cortisol levels are high and thus your gains slow down and the assumption is made that the steroid is less effective.

Most Pro's recommend 12 - 16 week courses, thing is water retention is real, but you can curb that in many ways.

Personally, if you happy with short courses then go that way, but I do believe your information as to why you should avoid long courses is a little incorrect. You are also limiting what you can take on short courses as one aims to get the most out of a compound and taking long esters on a short course is definitely not utilizing the compound properly.

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cjlouw
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15 Oct 2008 15:12 #6700 by cjlouw

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So would you suggest that I lower the amount taken in & extend the period?

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Netro
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15 Oct 2008 15:43 #6702 by Netro

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Not necessarily, like I said, it depends on compounds used also. Ways to make the last few weeks of your cycle more effective is to add oral winny or proviron, this will also help with water retention.
Your and many others main goals are to keep cortisol levels down and thus your gains would improve. Swap long esters for shorter ones towards the end of your cycle and thus recovery is quicker and your body can start hitting back at the cortisol. Protabol can also be used to increase receptor sensitivity, like I said, many ways to skin a cat.

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Skyth
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15 Oct 2008 16:28 #6703 by Skyth

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Nice advice Netro. Appreciate it bud. I've always believed in long courses.
I know some of my mates never go off test...
What are your thoughts on once you finished, before you can start your next cycle? length on = length off???

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Skyth
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15 Oct 2008 16:33 #6704 by Skyth

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cjlouw,
BTW what is metvets? What are it's pro's and con's?

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cjlouw
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15 Oct 2008 19:11 #6707 by cjlouw

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It is a pil which is used on animals(specific racing dogs). It is better knomn as metavet in the vet industry. It gives you one hell of a power burst. It also helps to keep the stamina up a little longer. It is just very difficult to get hold of, because it a prescription drug. You take it about a hour before you go to the gym. The cons is that you can not use for long periodes, because it pushes up yopur blood pressure & at times you get headache & hot flushes.

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Skyth
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15 Oct 2008 19:36 #6709 by Skyth

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As effective as Ephe when training? Does it help burn fat as well?
I need to get me some ECA... that stuff is amazing when training.
But I find some are not as effective as others, even although they do have the same dosages on the bottle!?!

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Netro
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16 Oct 2008 07:02 #6713 by Netro

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@Skyth,
Try Fusion, it's a very cool ECA stack and a good replacement for the crappy Nomad one.

The Metavets sound close to Halotestin (spelling?)

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Skyth
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16 Oct 2008 11:29 #6716 by Skyth

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@Netro,
Where will I be able to get fusion from?
I use to take the Mk2 ECA with a jet as part of the label. Found that worked pretty well.

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Netro
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16 Oct 2008 12:27 #6718 by Netro

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Just mail Admin bud, as I cannot give any info on the forum.

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Skyth
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16 Oct 2008 14:10 #6726 by Skyth

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no problem bro, totally understand! Shot

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