ONDIER heading for 1st gear!!

Good day brothers in steel
So I have decided and I want to do my first cycle. But before that I will do all fine tuning and be 100% prepared.
I am 34 years old. Worked out allot all natural until I was about 21, then gave over to a life of Rock n Roll, women, beer and fatty T bone steaks, not necessarily in that order

I started working out again about 8 months ago. In short, I went from 165kg down to a current 135kg. My BF went from 36% to 19.5% current. I am 1.82, and most people who sees me reckon I play prop for the bulls- so I am not worried (too much) about size.
I do however have another 15 - 20kg of body fat I would like to get rid of. And I am at a stage where I will not say no for help, and the natural proudness of “I did it my way“……...… screw that! Hence all my questions on the forum about Clen, Reverzine and Tridenosen. I want to reach my goal quicker, and the ways to do so are within reach so why not use it?
My training is in place, as well as my diet, thanks to some advice from DJ en die ander ysters hier.
In my days you were on mean shit if you drank raw eggs with vanilla essence.

So just a couple of questions regarding finer tweaking
First off, I am looking at doing the sample Advanced Cutting Cycle that is on the site:

Cycle:
3x PGW Prop (100mg x 10ml)
3x PGW Tren Ace (80mg x 10ml)
3x LP Anavar (20mg x 50)
1x LP Clenbuterol (250mcg x 15ml)
1x LP T3 (250mcg x 15ml)
4x Adco-Ketotifen (1mg/5ml x 200ml)
1x LP Arimidex (2mg x 15ml)
8x Cabaser (1mg)

PCT:
1x Ovidrel 250
1x LP Aromasin (20mg x 30)
1x LP Clomid (50mg x 15)
1x LP Nolvadex (20mg x 30)

I just want to look like Jay, not compete with him. So I am not doing this for competition….yet :silly:
Like with bench, you don’t have to push 500kg, you just need to look like you can.
My goal setting for now- Between 110 - 120kg with 10% bodyfat.

Is the above cycle too heavy for a first timer? ....... since I'm not advanced and not cutting down from a bulking season, or actually I am, it has just been a 10 year off season :whistle:

I have read about the Trenbolone and will start with lower dosages on that.

All comments, critics, tips and motivation more than welcome!
Thanks,
Jors Troelie

Ok so no feedback here. I guess all is good then?

I would like to know the following:
Can I add Winstrol x 1ml every 3rd day?
Can I substitute T3 with Eltroxin 0.1?
Can I substitute Ovidrel 250 with Pregnyl 5000?
Can I substitute Nolvadex 20 with Kesar?

Thanks

Winstrol - ED or EoD
Ovidrel you can replace with Pregnyl (Not as good as doesn't effect FSH as well as Ovidrel)
Kessar is Nolva

Thanks Pump

is 1ml dosage ok for the Winstrol ED or EoD?

I have read that Anavar is used in Aids and burn victims at 20 - 80mgs to halt wasting and recovery weight. And that anything less than 20-100mgs is a waste for BB purposes?

This cycle starts with 60mg ED and then 40mg ED from day 38.

Are there any truth in this and if so what is your opinion on 100mg ED and then 80mg ED from day 38?

Ok firstly the cycle that was listed is advance and really doesn't need anything else added to it. I have had successful Anavar only cycles at 60/80mg Anavar a day. However the cycle you are looking at doing just includes it, with other compounds it will work wonders in there. I wouldn't take the Winstrol as you already adding allot of stress to your liver.

Ok thanks Pump

Got it and will stick to it as it is

Agree with Pump adding the Winstrol with Anavar and Tren cycle will be to harsh on your liver. I would not substitute Ovidrel for Pregnyl as the Tren shuts you down bad and Ovidrel is far superior IMO.
For this being your first cycle it is a bit big, why not simplify it or use less harsh compounds, maybe Equi600mg/week, Prop 300mg/week and proviron 60mg/day for 15 weeks? Just a thought

Thanks for the advice Koe

Will have a look at them thanks.

Being a newbie I first have to read up on all products, to see what will be substituted with what

So....give me some time

Cycle history?

none brother

Puuummmmmpppp............??

Don't leave me hanging here!

bro this for a first cycle? u are nuts dude!!! simple test cycle for a first cycle!using tren now is like stubbing your toe and using morphine for the pain instead of panado! wait till 5-6 cycles before using tren bud!

Thank goodness DJ .. the voice of sanity – I was very surprised when PUMP came over so soft.......
Ondier.. Jou should know better being a Senior Boarder.... :pinch:
I had my ass handed to me when I mentioned TREN in first cycles.

Yep squirrel is right u only need test for ur first cycle. I personally know 2 guys on 500mg test cyp in their last 3 weeks now and the results are fantastic...first cycle u just need test and a front load of dboltjies(dbol) and u 100z.

I haven't even used tren and ive been juicing since 2009

I thought the cycle looked a bit hectic to... im looking at gaining so im just gonna hit sust250 with some dbols upfronts, im scheming 10weeks on the sustanon for myself will put me where i would like to be, do you think it will get me from 70kg's into the lower 80s?

Thanks for all the input brothers.

That is why I asked in my first post if it is too heavy for a first timer.

OK DJ- so will you be happy if I go with Test and dbol?

Remember I am doing this for cutting and fat loss and a little strength, hence the reason I thought Tren would be perfect as it seems like the mothers of burning fat.

And it is a cutting cycle- although an "advanced one"

Hence the reason I asked for cycle history As things didn't seem to add up, thats why we labeled the cycle 'advanced'

Thanks Pump

Would you recommend any of the sample cycles for me?

bud at the end of the day fat loss comes with diet and cardio! plain and simple,u cant exactly take all the fat burners in the world and live off kfc and macdonalds and think u are going to get lean... if u are eating to much u wont loose fat.

use an AI such as arimadex on a dbol and test cycle,do your cardio and diet hard and u will loose fat.

Thanks DJ

I am getting very good results- it is just taking soooo long.

Seeing that Anavar is not overly toxic and relatively mild on the natural endocrine system, can I add it for the fat burning, cutting and strength capabilities?

DJ wrote: .....u are nuts dude!!!!

PS: Very funny coming from one fit squirrel! :lol: :silly: :lol:

Yes you can or you can use Primo, however I doubt it will help speed up the process.. The body takes time to go through changes, think of it like braces, why does one go every 6/8 weeks back to have changes made, because it's a process, and if you just keep pulling your teeth will fall out.

The same is true with weight loss, its a process, and the body goes through changes and phases to get through platues, etc. The trick is to be as strict as can be and add some 'fat burners' ontop of it, I honestly don't see a point of steroids unless! you want to use T3 and to prevent muscle wasting you can use some Var or Primo or something along those lines.

Thanks Pump

Yes Primo looks like an excellent choice thanks!

So I will do the dbol and Testocyp cycle exactly like the sample cycle: www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/sample-cycles/48-cycle-1
But I am adding in oral Primo and Tertroxin.

Cycle:
2x PGW Testocyp (250mg x 10ml) 250mg every 4 days until day 77
2x LP Dianabol (10mg x 50) 40mg ED for 25 days
7x LP Oral Primobolan (20mg x 50) 80mg ED week 1, from week 2 I'll up it to 100mg ED until I reach a max of 1000mg a week. (12 weeks or 84 days)
Tertroxin (20mcg) 20 - 100mcg- starting with 20mcg and increasing with 10mcg every three or four days
1x Optional anti-estrogen (Arimidex or Letrozole)

PCT from day 106:
1x LP HCG (5000iu) 500ui EoD from day 113 to 131.
1x LP Clomid (50mg x 15) 50mg x 2 x 7 days.
1x LP Nolvadex (20mg x 30) 20mg ED from day 113 to 142.

Please let me know what you think.

Should I continue the Primo in the 29 days between cycle and PCT?

Thanks brothers

Yes continue the Primo during that time..

Thanks Pump

Working it out now, Primo = f@kken duur! Is it worth the price? Once I hit 140mg ED it works out a packet a week...