Staggering cycle?! Your thoughts pls

Howzit Guys,

Ive been planning a new cycle of late, wanting decent lean mass gains and overall fat loss.
Im 98kg now and want to stay around the 100 mark.

I personally like using long esters therefore my cycles are generally 16-20weeks at moderate dosages.

My diet is sitting at 3100cal mainly proteins and carbs with carbs for breakfast and intra+post training.

I've decided to stagger the compounds as best way i know how, allowing for the gradual build up and taper of AAS to see if this will help maintain my gains.
This will be my first time using tren so im hoping the results will be as good as they sound!
Ill be running GH at 5iu p/d 5on 2off.

Now I've read mixed views on adding t3 with GH and tren, im planning on running both so what would you guys recommend?
25mcg p/d? If so, for how long?

The cycle is frontloaded with Equi to help raise blood concentration and anapolan just for a little mass
I chose Tbol over winstrol to harden me up and bridge between cycle and PCT as I hav just had 2 knee ops so dont want any sore joints.

Attatched is my planned cycle which ill be starting hopefully within the next 6weeks
Please critisize anything and everything! And where would u add the T3 and maybe clen/heat?

Thank you


- sorry how do u attatch files?

The pyramid cycles were used many years ago and have kind of died out. I don't know of anyone using that method anymore. The whole idea with gear is to maintain stable blood levels and what you want to is def not going to achieve that, long esters or not.

Choose a dosage and stick to it throughout your cycle. That is my personal opinion and I am sure many guys will agree with me on this.

Howzit MCj,

Thanks for the reply.
But I am not doing a pyrimad cycle,
the dosages of each product will stay the same but the beginning and ending times will all be different.
Sorry if I didn't explain properly, if u can see my cycle it will be a lot clearer.

Can u help me with how to attatch a file?

Sorry mate. My mind got stuck at the word "tapering". Lol

Nevermind my post, my sleeping tabs had clearly kicked in by that time!

No stress bro thanks for the reply none the less!
I cant seem to get my cycle up so here it is written out, try stay with it it gets a bit tricky

Week 1 - 18 HGH 5iu p/d 5days on 2days off
1 - 15 equi @ 700mg (first 2weeks frontloaded @ 1000mg)
1 - 2 anapolan 50mg p/d
3 - 16 test @ 800mg
5 - 14 Tren @ 400mg
4 - 16 proviron @ 50mg p/d
14 - 18 Tbol @ 50mg p/d
letro will be run from start to finish at 0.8mg eod I found that this dosage works for me to prevent gyno but not enough to cause low lebido+immune system issues.

so wat do you guys think?

Goeie fok! Lol bro, I'm really not qualified enuf to even comment on that cycle! Damn!

Just one question, why test only from week 3? And why the extra frontload with equi, its ester is so long would it even make a difference?

Ok...that's 2 questions.

Looks well thought out.
The Anapolon almost sounds unnesasary there. And 2 weeks will just make you itch for more.
If you put the Anapolon in the place of the TBol and at 100mg/day mmmmmmm.
Test can run 1-2 weeks longer (Cyp?) than the EQ.

Holy moly - whats your current stats if i may ask Novice ?

Howzit guys,

MCJ,
Frontloading the equi at a higher dose brings up the overall blood concentrations quicker than usual therefore gains will begin faster.
test at week 3 cause i dont want to be on test for to long but long enough to do its job so only starting it then.

@ Jackrabbit - Thanks for the reply! I've never done anapolan before and im quite prone to gyno!!
I got 15tabs given to me so was just going to hav a little taster and thought it would give me a couple kg of mass in the beginning to kickstart the cycle.

Anapolan at the end would be a nice idea as gains would probably hav stagnated by then therefore pushing me up a good couple kg but then wouldnt that make it very easy to lose it all after pct?
Ok will adjust the test to 2weeks longer, its a combo of test e and cyp.

Should I run proviron right through to pct?

Hennie wrote: Holy moly - whats your current stats if i may ask Novice ?

Hennie, why so surprised? What in there freaks you out? And why?

Novice! wrote: @ Jackrabbit - Thanks for the reply! I've never done anapolan before and im quite prone to gyno!!
I got 15tabs given to me so was just going to hav a little taster and thought it would give me a couple kg of mass in the beginning to kickstart the cycle.

Anapolan at the end would be a nice idea as gains would probably hav stagnated by then therefore pushing me up a good couple kg but then wouldnt that make it very easy to lose it all after pct?
Ok will adjust the test to 2weeks longer, its a combo of test e and cyp.

Should I run proviron right through to pct?

Remember - you still have Test/EQ/Tren in the system when you hit the orals at the end. I did that after Deca/Test and it was an eye opener. I absolutely loved Anapolon. 100mg/day with Proviron at 100mg/day, Aromasin very low - drops, B6.
Proviron you can run right up to PCT.


BTW - i experienced ZERO sides from the Anapolon. It was easier on the system than the 3 weeks of Winny i did just before it. Who knows - maybe you are lucky as well.

Novice! wrote: Howzit guys,

MCJ,
Frontloading the equi at a higher dose brings up the overall blood concentrations quicker than usual therefore gains will begin faster.
test at week 3 cause i dont want to be on test for to long but long enough to do its job so only starting it then.

@ Jackrabbit - Thanks for the reply! I've never done anapolan before and im quite prone to gyno!!
I got 15tabs given to me so was just going to hav a little taster and thought it would give me a couple kg of mass in the beginning to kickstart the cycle.

Anapolan at the end would be a nice idea as gains would probably hav stagnated by then therefore pushing me up a good couple kg but then wouldnt that make it very easy to lose it all after pct?
Ok will adjust the test to 2weeks longer, its a combo of test e and cyp.

Should I run proviron right through to pct?

ur not hitting t400 by any chance?

@ Fakey_AK - Yip I'm trying out the Test 400, which brand did u use? i am expecting a bit of pain

Hennie - nothing major hey Im in the process of leaning down to start this cycle, i want to start it around 11% im sitting at 14 now at 98kg been training for +-3yrs properly done 4 -5 cycles but all very basic and max 2compunds at a time.
with this cycle I didnt think any dosages were to crazy?! decent tho and timed right.
i've been planning it for a while and storing up products as i can get them so now want to splash out and do a major transformation.

haha Jackrabbit I hope I am one of the lucky ones! ok i will push the anapolan to the end and run as u did with proviron and ill use letro?

and then since i hav the tbol already, should I throw them in the front or just keep aside?

Im an "old" man and a "baby" when it comes to gear and maybe in my "stupidity" it just seems like a "serious" cycle so just wondering how big the man is 4 interest sake.

Thx novice, was just wondering, am very new 2 gear and "saw" some serious stack with all the names, so plz dont be "alarmed" cos i in NO WAY have te knowledge to even comment, just wondering.

Novice! wrote: @ Fakey_AK - Yip I'm trying out the Test 400, which brand did u use? i am expecting a bit of pain


and then since i hav the tbol already, should I throw them in the front or just keep aside?

I myself have never done t400 and don't think i will. The post inj pain from that stuff rivals a "lammie" from mike tyson. my old training partner is using sust450 and he is in excessive amounts of pain from that stuff. But im personally not convinced on these high dose stuff, as far as my knowledge goes is not possible to get those dosages per ml. But anyhow shoot it and let me know if u can walk

As for the tboll i'd use it as a kickstart if u've got it

Definitely agree with Fakey that the t-bol should be used as a frontload. If you've already bought the stuff you can use 3 weeks of the t-bol upfront and run the anaps and remainder of the t-bol you have in the bridge till pct.

As JR said run the test a couple of weeks longer and MCJ's right that equi frontload won't do much. You should front load with at least 2x your maintenance dose to get the desired effect

Thanks for all the comments guys, will definitely adjust my cycle accordingly.
Deadgoat that might be an idea with the tbol upfront then the remainder afterwards, thanks!

Unfortunately i got my bloodwork back this evening and it seems like my last PCT wasnt a effective as id hoped, i did expect this tho.
So now Im putting this cycle on hold till im all sorted and had a rest.

Thanks again for the input!
all is appreciated.

Ill bump this thread wen im going to start.

Cheers