Correct time interval between cycles?

I am finishing my first ever AAS cycle – Dianabol/Proviron with liver support. Planning on doing Clomid/Nolvadex PCT when cycle ends.

What is the acceptable waiting time to start my next cycle? I would like to keep my gains, thus do not want to wait too long.

I was thinking of doing Primobolan/Proviron cycle. I understand gains will be more or less permanent and easy on the liver as well.
My other choice would be Anavar/Proviron?

Hey man, why dont you just do a test only cycle with maybe dbol as frontload? Are you afraid of injecting?

PCT plus the length of the cycle. eg. 8 weeks "on", PCT AND THEN 6-8weeks "off". dont expect to keep all of your gains on a oral cycle, especially DBOL.

i agree with tremers.

why not add test and front load it with the dbol and run proviron throughout? better gains and ull keep substantially more of your gains, provided your PCT is in check.

Judging by your first cycle and you wanting to keep your gains from that cycle I'd say you need to do alot my research before testing steroids again

dude u chowed the starters without touching the main course and now u want dessert! wtf. give us some stats and lets start there. test only cycle is ur way forward. case closed.
by the way u not gonna keep any gains from the dbol. u gonna piss is out soon enuf. its water.

Thanks for the info guys!

Pinning is not so much of a problem. I am actually eager to take testosterone. I am not keen on the T converting to DHT and suffering from baldness. :sick:

I hear about most of the gains being water, but surely if you train hard you MUST develop some muscle and logically be able to keep that?

DIESEL wrote: dude u chowed the starters without touching the main course and now u want dessert! wtf. give us some stats and lets start there. test only cycle is ur way forward. case closed.
by the way u not gonna keep any gains from the dbol. u gonna piss is out soon enuf. its water.

My stats
44 Male
Body fat 11%
Weight 70Kg
Years consistant training 5
Cycle length 6 weeks. 10mg Dianabol 4p/d Proviron 25mg 2p/d. (Plus Livotibb)


Finishing week 5 now of my cycle. I have gained 6Kg since the start of my cycle.
I do not want to gain much more weight. If I end up on 72 to 75Kg max I would be really happy.

How tall are you? And if you just wanna pick up another 2-5kg you can gain that just from improving your diet, no need to even consider doing another "cycle"

Hi Roidrat07,

Wow, d-bol/proviron cycle, I don't know who told you to do that but yikes that is dangerous especially at your age. You should go visit your Doc today to go check if your liver is still there!
Liver support meds only work to a point and will not keep your liver in check on 6 weeks of d-bol.

The general rule for d-bol - is to use it to boost test levels at the beginning of a cycle. Max 4 weeks. I would say that half of the weight you picked up is water retention and you will lose it in the next few weeks. Obviously you may have put on some muscle from training hard but is it worth the strain on your liver.

All testosterones convert to DHT like you said. That's the main reason why testosterone is so androgenic. However, if you run Finisteride with test it will block DHT conversion and will not nearly be that harmful for your hair. Rememeber to also always run an AI with the finisteride as without DHT there will be increased levels of estrogen.

If you do another cycle and are determined to exclude test. then go for Anavar/Proviron for at least 8 - 10 weeks. I've done a similar cycle before and gotten good results - quality hard muscle gains, huge strength increase. Remember Anavar has to be run at min 60mg/day for min 8 weeks.

Deadgoat wrote: How tall are you? And if you just wanna pick up another 2-5kg you can gain that just from improving your diet, no need to even consider doing another "cycle"

My heigth is 1.75m
I hear you about the diet. I have been using "normal" supplements and were keen to experience the AAS thing. I am glad I did - I really love the mindset I have whilst my T levels are higher. I have tried diet, but I have not been albe to increase weight, without increasing fat as well at the same time.

I am going to do it when I am finished with my cycle. Eat like a horse...

You can eat like a horse , but you need to eat the right foods bud

STUARTF wrote: Hi Roidrat07,

Wow, d-bol/proviron cycle, I don't know who told you to do that but yikes that is dangerous especially at your age. You should go visit your Doc today to go check if your liver is still there!
Liver support meds only work to a point and will not keep your liver in check on 6 weeks of d-bol.

The general rule for d-bol - is to use it to boost test levels at the beginning of a cycle. Max 4 weeks. I would say that half of the weight you picked up is water retention and you will lose it in the next few weeks. Obviously you may have put on some muscle from training hard but is it worth the strain on your liver.

All testosterones convert to DHT like you said. That's the main reason why testosterone is so androgenic. However, if you run Finisteride with test it will block DHT conversion and will not nearly be that harmful for your hair. Rememeber to also always run an AI with the finisteride as without DHT there will be increased levels of estrogen.

If you do another cycle and are determined to exclude test. then go for Anavar/Proviron for at least 8 - 10 weeks. I've done a similar cycle before and gotten good results - quality hard muscle gains, huge strength increase. Remember Anavar has to be run at min 60mg/day for min 8 weeks.

Thanks for the post - very interesting information! I am aware of the dangers to my liver. I have already scheduled my doc's appointment. Going to do the full medical and bloodwork thing.

I am using finisteride already but without an AI - any good recomendations there?

I have been thinking of doing a Anavar/Proviron cycle. Great info, thanks! Seems like the Anavar is easy on the liver as well.

My favourite AI is Arimidex. Aromasin is also ok and letro will be good if you prone to gyno but it has some nasty sides like reduced libido.

Yeah, Anavar is a great steroid. Just remember it is also a DHT so keep on the finisteride. It is also relatively safe & easy on the liver like you said.

Really good idea going for bloods.

Roidrat07 it seems you really got some good advice here, however try to stick to test as you next cycle ---- becarefull anavar will shut you down just aswell if your proviron dosage is not correct.
Surf any BB forum from here to anywhere in the galaxy and they all say the same thing; Test should be the basis for all cycles if muscle mass or even lean mass is what ur after.

The older u are the harder its gonna be to recover from your cycle.

Play it safe!!!