first cycle for 2012 progress log

gorilla wrote: Makes sense what your saying...Also read some other post saying that you cant run a marathon like a 100m dash, if i do tren-which i wont, then what am i going to run then? and then? So shot for the help bud...Looks like ill be doing some deca after all, probably 10 weeks test e 600mg,NPP 10 weeks 450mg,prop 100mg between enanthate shots and after the npp doing 2 weeks prop 150mg EOD, then winny,proviron and doctari's pct...What do you think?

What do you mean with prop between enanthate shots?

The cycle i proposed was for a third cycle, will definitely first do test only and second only adding anaps and test.

@eidolon: Monday-test e 300mg, Thursday-test e 300mg. On another thread DJ proposed making your own little supertest combo, so will be pinning test prop on wednesdays and saturdays @ 100mg respectively.

gorilla wrote: The cycle i proposed was for a third cycle, will definitely first do test only and second only adding anaps and test.

@eidolon: Monday-test e 300mg, Thursday-test e 300mg. On another thread DJ proposed making your own little supertest combo, so will be pinning test prop on wednesdays and saturdays @ 100mg respectively.

I see. Personally, I'd just pin 450mg test e x 2 a week and frontload with tbol. Once the long ester has stabilised you don't really need the prop. But DJ knows his shirt

Yeah will see bud, that will b emy second cycle though, i really want to try anaps, what ancillaries do you suggest i take for the sides?

gorilla wrote: Yeah will see bud, that will b emy second cycle though, i really want to try anaps, what ancillaries do you suggest i take for the sides?

Anti-Prolactin is a must

Exactly my thoughts! I was thinking 50mg naps ED and 1 tab dostinex per week for the kicstart period, also using nolva @ 10mg ED while on naps and letrozole 0.5mg ED or EOD as anti E throughout cycle..Your thoughts?

jus def keep adex by ur side, its a little more expensive then letro, IMO its less harsh too. ESP if u wanna run the anaps and high test you might def need it as you dont know how prone you are to gyno yet

Thats why im playing safe with the letro and dont know if the budget will allow for adex...

gorilla wrote: Exactly my thoughts! I was thinking 50mg naps ED and 1 tab dostinex per week for the kicstart period, also using nolva @ 10mg ED while on naps and letrozole 0.5mg ED or EOD as anti E throughout cycle..Your thoughts?

Looks good, just adjust the dosages according to sides experienced

Shot will do brother.

letro is good too def does the job, just not sure as it comes with its own sides too?... iv never taken either so i cant give you a personal response, just what i have researched and seen others experience, you should only need it tho if ur nipples cry for help hahaha :whistle: holding thumbs they dont

Once gyno has formed its permanent, it can be reduced but not destroyed, i REALLY dont want bitch tits guess ill just do some saving up and run adex on cycle...

gorilla wrote: Once gyno has formed its permanent, it can be reduced but not destroyed, i REALLY dont want bitch tits guess ill just do some saving up and run adex on cycle...

start doing some kind of rain dance to improve the chances of a gyno free experience lol... :silly: but for real, good luck bud! better keep us posted with what u decide

gorilla wrote: Exactly my thoughts! I was thinking 50mg naps ED and 1 tab dostinex per week for the kicstart period, also using nolva @ 10mg ED while on naps and letrozole 0.5mg ED or EOD as anti E throughout cycle..Your thoughts?

Yoh. I wouldn't just run dostinex as a preventative measure. Read the warning about self-medicating in the article here: www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/drug...eroids/15-nandrolone

Koe007 mentioned he ran 450mg NPP without any sides, but personally I'd rather start off at 300mg than add an anti-prolactin.

I don't agree with Juice that it's a must.

Eidolon wrote: Yoh. I wouldn't just run dostinex as a preventative measure. Read the warning about self-medicating in the article here: www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/drug...eroids/15-nandrolone

Koe007 mentioned he ran 450mg NPP without any sides, but personally I'd rather start off at 300mg than add an anti-prolactin.

I don't agree with Juice that it's a must.

On hand is what I meant, I hear Anapolon can raise prolactin levels severely

@eidolon: Ive read the article but can you reverse lactating gyno?

Hmm to be honest, one doesn't really need anti-prolactin... Progesterone is the issue that can cause lactation, and if your estrogen is low you will not get high levels of progesterone, so an AI will be enough on a cycle to prevent this type of gyno behaviour, and if you are suffering from it yes it can be reverted, I'm not saying the tissue will go smaller but you can balance it.

00pump wrote: Hmm to be honest, one doesn't really need anti-prolactin... Progesterone is the issue that can cause lactation, and if your estrogen is low you will not get high levels of progesterone, so an AI will be enough on a cycle to prevent this type of gyno behaviour, and if you are suffering from it yes it can be reverted, I'm not saying the tissue will go smaller but you can balance it.

Thanks pump!! So what ancillaries do you suggest on a naps and test cycle? Letro as AI.

haha the gear if def kicking in .. day 7 today,i have highly dirty thoughts of most females i see haha :whistle: and just walked up my driveway and my calves feel like solid balls haha... pumps are getting crazy! ill post tonight after gym on weight and measurments! def seeing a visible difference, although one complaint so far is a feel kidneys are taking slight strain, when i get up i feel my left kidney is tender, buy my pee is still clearish... should i move onto any support for it? or will that hinder gains??

Whats more important? Your kidneys or your gains? I personally dont think liver support hinders gains, so go for it! Happy for you bud! Will keep an eye out 2nite!

well just got back from gym, definately a huge strength gain in my legs, stronger and much more confident under the weight then last week, got a solid pump too, im impressed so far, and im looking forward to next weeks leg session to compare things, as for measurments, ill have to keep you guys in suspense, ill try do it every 2 weeks to actually see a difference in measurments, so next wednesday ill post starting stats and 2 week in stats, weight is up,from 91.4 to 92.9 but its been a long day and im full of food and water so will do a morning weight in when i can.. peace out :evil:

Kidney pain after just 7 days? What are you running again? U sure u didn't just hurt ur back a little or try a little too hard by getting swept up in the emotion of being on gear? Could explain the back pain. Just as a point of interest, how much fluid are you taking in?

im not too sure what it is, maybe i was sitting funny? and got up, im running dbol 50mg ed, 600mg testen 600mg pw, 450mg npp pw .. to be honest the beggingin half of this week didnt entail too much water maybe 1,5lt to 2 max, been movng and stupid busy, pee was yellow most of the day .. but heavy on the water now -+ 4-5lt a day, cleared up big time in the last 2 days, only time i had a back pain was randomly getting up and a few steps after, more sensitive then pain (if that makes sense) but i do agree, the fact i know im on a cycle, any pain gets related .. just gonna monitor it .. no pain currently

Yeah u probably just tweaked something with all the enthusiasm running through ur veins! Ah now I remember the cycle! Keep track of that water buddy. Dark or yellow urine is not good. 2L is way too little. I drink that alone when I train. Keep on with the updates!! Good luck!

PoisonedPulse wrote: well just got back from gym, definately a huge strength gain in my legs, stronger and much more confident under the weight then last week, got a solid pump too, im impressed so far, and im looking forward to next weeks leg session to compare things, as for measurments, ill have to keep you guys in suspense, ill try do it every 2 weeks to actually see a difference in measurments, so next wednesday ill post starting stats and 2 week in stats, weight is up,from 91.4 to 92.9 but its been a long day and im full of food and water so will do a morning weight in when i can.. peace out :evil:

Post up your weight tommorow morning and post some weekly progress pics! Its really cool when you can see where you gained and everyone can help you improve where lagging, if lagging! Great stuff bro keep it up!