2nd opinion on good (conservative) 1st cycle

243 pounds at 5'9 - with 530 pound squat
19 inch calves and 17.5 inch arms

i have bit size.. now i want LOTS size

just deca for my very first cycle for 12 weeks - u guys think this is the best option?

You'll need to add some test otherwise you'll go "limp" if you get what I'm saying.
Add some Test-E or Sust for the duration of the course with some dbol for the 1st 4weeks just to kick start your cycle.

rothchilds wrote:

243 pounds at 5'9 - with 530 pound squat
19 inch calves and 17.5 inch arms

i have bit size.. now i want LOTS size

just deca for my very first cycle for 12 weeks - u guys think this is the best option?

Hey how old are you?
Becuase this will also effect if it will be wise to take any test or just go on a 50 day deca/dianabol course with no need for a pct (so u won't end up with small nuts post cycle)

33

Well rothchilds at 33 your natural levels are on a slow decline so nothing wrong with adding some test to your cycle.

In my personal advice will be to only go on a 50 day test/deca cycle with no pct for beginner.

This being your very first cycle a Test and Deca stack wil be a good start.

IMHO though for a first cycle test on its own also won't be a bad idea. But never leave test out of a cycle, especially if you are planning to run a compund as suppressive as Deca

No PCT????

Why on earth would you not want to kick start your natural hormone production after using Deca, that will shut you down huge? Also considering age here, at 33 your natural recovery is allot slower and that only leaves a huge gap for estrogen related sides. Deca will shut you down even at a low dose of 100mg p/week. The older you get the more susceptible you are to estrogen.

If you go the no PCT route you will crash, for sure.

IMO, if you gonna do it, do it properly and just leave it.

Hi good morning....

You don't always need PCT...

Let me explain briefly an I think doc will agree here.

Lets take a Testosterone Cypionate and Deca Durabolin cycle for instance.

Testosterone Cypionate and Deca Durabolin had an active-life of about 16
days.
This of course meant each drug had a half-life of about 8 days, so peak activity
occurred at about 8 days after each drug was administered before gradually declining over the
following 8 days.
The result was a very tide effect where each drugs qualities ebbed and flowed
thus allowing the benefits of estrogenic activity without accumulation.
The 16 day active-life of testosterone cypionate was well within the 2 weeks of Action/Reaction time frame that is so important when you do work with chemicals that contain esters. Basicualy what happens in a cycle like this is that the one drug activity ramps up while the other one is ramping down...I call it the Threshold cycle.

(This example terminated high activity about 8 days after the final administration of Deca Durabolin.)

Nandrolone, such as Deca Durabolin, converted to estrogens or DHT at about l/5th the rate of testosterone. The resulting hormones were nor-estrogens and Nor-
DHT's with far less estrogenic activity or potency than their non-nor cousins. For this
reason, Nors were noted as slightly anti-estrogenic /anti-DHT.

I hope this explains the fact that you not always need PCT that everyone is only catching up to now.

Thank you

so what will be an actual cycle for a combo of deca and test cyp ?

please bear in mind i would rather start on the conservative side to evaluate any possible side effects i might genetically be predisposed to and THEN increase dosages the next cycle

and if i am eating (using war supplements - whey 6 times a day (protein very high) + training (basics + heavy etc) 1000% - what can i realistic gain and would it be just bulk or what?

i really appreciate the advice

I think it will vary from person to person, but the gains made by a friend of mine was around 10kg, of which he kept 6kg's after PCT.
He was on Deca300 once a week for 10 weeks
Test Cyp every third day for 9 weeks
with dbol for the 1st four weeks.

I will recommend coming off the cycle with Winstol tabs...

PS: Its better to eat real food than relying on Supplements...
Rather try to take in real food (Chicken, Tuna, Oats, Brown Rice etc...) instead of abusing Meal replacements.

Just my 2cents...

I agree, basic mass is nice and if done properly you can look at 10+ kgs and keep 80-90%. Real food is better than supps IMO as well.

Rothchilds, mail me and I will send you some sample cycles