Proviron and Winny?

Higuys and gals,

Just wanted to know whether one could run a winny proviron cycle for say 4 to 6 weeks just to add a bit of vascularity and burn away some fat and add some strength etc.

Would it work? Im not expecting miracles, i just want to lean out a bit and stuff, my diet is quite decent these days and I do quite alot of cardio too.

What sort of PCT would I need to run with this if any?

Well i did a anavar/proviron 9 weeks cycle last year and absolutely loved it. Don't see why you can't do the same with a 6 weeks winni proviron cycle. Just as long as you know that a oral only cycle is not ideal and test prop and winni would have been a great cutting option. Go for the 6 week winni (50mg/day) and proviron (60mg/day) cycle and let us know how it goes. Simple clomid (100mg x 7 days) and nolvadex (20mg x 30days) PCT should be sufficient. PCT should start 36hrs after last pop (i think).

Yeah I understand that oral only cycles are not ideal but with the goal that I have in mind at the moment that will be fine for me

Can you explain to me why that particular PCT is needed? I have been reading the different stuff in the articles section and I kinda got the feeling that one doesnt really need a PCT for this type of course

pct should be directly after your last tab. so wait one day. half life of both products is 1.5 days.

ok danny.

so exactly what do you wanna do.
this kind of cycle is very expensive.
is your diet 100%
what is your stats

maybe just use yombine and clen or fof to help you to loose some fat. maybe just do a bit of cutting and see if your not happy with the results.
remember if your diet is bad it wont make any impact.

Waste of money bro, get a good diet and do cardio then add in clen(anti-catabolic) with ketotifen. No need for winny or proviron or pct with that. Add in creatine and glutamine and bcaa's if your scared youll go catabolic. Dont use AAS for fatloss use diet+cardio+fatburners.

gab wrote: pct should be directly after your last tab. so wait one day. half life of both products is 1.5 days.

ok danny.

so exactly what do you wanna do.
this kind of cycle is very expensive.
is your diet 100%
what is your stats

maybe just use yombine and clen or fof to help you to loose some fat. maybe just do a bit of cutting and see if your not happy with the results.
remember if your diet is bad it wont make any impact.

Don't really agree with you. There will be some kind of natural supression taking place here so a lite pct would be advisable. As for the start of the pct: proviron has a half life of 12hrs and winni is 8hrs. That means pct should start 1.5days after las winni. So you are partly correct there. Also this is not a expensive cycle, its actually dirt cheap. Not a adviseable complete cycle but also not a complete waste of money with a good diet (depending on your goals). Would have been a complete waste for somebody wanting to bulk or have good lean gains. Horses for courses

its not a waste of money.......... He can do it, I know lots of guys who run these short ones to drop fat and harden up, stu is one from the forum who does and I doubt he sees it as a waste, I also know a guy who prepped for his whole first comp on just winny, var and proviron and he came in looking great.. ABC01 is right danny, if you want to do it, follow that. Providing its not your first cycle which I don't think it is?

Guys, don't be so fast to shut things down, let the guy give it a shot, this constant one track mind that seems to be seeping in on the forum is getting frustrating. And honestly, flame away but that's just my 5c

However, danny everyone here is right in saying that cardio and diet is what you need for a proper 'cutting' cycle, i'm sure you already know that though..

PS- you may want to consider changing that pic.. After all, steroids are illegal..

he he he. that not him in the pick. thats heirich brusau from the states

im not discouraging him. i just asked him his details and goals.
allot of the time guys dont need to do gear as they can get buy just on eating right.
he said he didnt want to go big just some strength and fuller muscles. that you can achieve without gear and lot of protiens.

thats just my 5 cents

Now chapel don't get me wrong, im not saying it wont work but the same results can be made with less strain on your body. he can also save money that way. My argument is, why take roids when you can do the same, if not better, without them.

@dannyboy: Give it a shot if you like bro, but keep all options in mind. Many ways to kill a cat.

Let me be very clear, nothing gives results like AAS, nothing. That said obviously diet is key and cardio but we must be honest he will not get the same results without this course.

gorilla wrote: Now chapel don't get me wrong, im not saying it wont work but the same results can be made with less strain on your body. he can also save money that way. My argument is, why take roids when you can do the same, if not better, without them.

@dannyboy: Give it a shot if you like bro, but keep all options in mind. Many ways to kill a cat.

I promise you that you won't get the same results by just doing cardio and eating correct as you would get from doing cardio/good diet and that winni cycle. Winni has a profound effect on strength gains and hardening up. If you allready have a low bf you will fall in love with the results

what strain? Its winny and proviron, we're not exactly talking about a heavy cycle, so he might get some joint issues or have to run a liver support.. Burners make me feel ass, love them when they work, but they honestly make me feel kak, so strain wise.. ya. And price wise, if you have the money to spend then why not? Plus clen etc is not going to give you that hard, vascular look with a strength boost that he is looking for.

Na I don't see a problem with him trying it out and seeing if his body enjoys it, its not like he is doing a stupid experiment or something that could drastically harm him.

Even for the goals he is aiming to achieve? I think he will burn more fat and add more vascularity with the clen, but more strength and hardness with winny,proviron.

Why dont you stack winny,proviron,clen and prop for 8 weeks and pct with clomid nolva. That should provide insane results combined with diet and cardio.

Wow ok, so many replies I dont know where to start haha, its awesome to have such an active forum!

@gab and @CHAPEL - thats not me in the pic lol, its heinrich brussow from the free state cheetahs, i wish I looked like that :lol:

Ok my stats are as follows: Age 22, height 178cm, weight 79KG, BF is lingering around the 12% mark.

I did change up my diet a few months back, am still trying to be more disciplined about it as I do cheat a bit too much on it, I definitely need to drop the carbs a little bit and maybe throw some more protein in. As far as supplementation goes, I am on creatine mono and glutamine and DAA at the moment, supplied by Ondier

When I was still stupid and didnt know abt roids, one of my mates gave me some Dianabol which i ran for abt 4 weeks, picked up about 6 or 7 kgs, diet was KAK! lost alot of that weight, and now have gained it all back naturally again I have gone up from 72kg's to 79 now this is over 3 months now just by eating better and training kak hard!

@ CHAPEL - I do know that dieting and cardio are good for cutting, thankfully this forum has taught me a hell of alot of good stuff, Im not exactly sure how much cardio I should be doing tho? What would u guys recommend? At the moment im doing about a 2km jog per day after gym.

At the end of the day I want to hit about 85 to 90 kg's, I want to be lean and hard, and I want to be discliplined enuf to keep it there, I definitely do not expect overnigth results, it would be nice to use some AAS to get there, but if you guys think that I should try and perfect my diet and cardio first then I definitely respect that.

Fire away with advice

EDIT: @Gorilla - Yes i'd love some nice vascularity as well, would love to run a course as you're suggesting but I dont know if Im disclipined enough with diet yet?

eish.. Didn't notice that, sorry Brussow..

Oh ok well that changes everything, if this is supposed to be your first cycle then no, rather do the beginners cycle not an oral only one.

dannyboy wrote: Wow ok, so many replies I dont know where to start haha, its awesome to have such an active forum!

@gab and @CHAPEL - thats not me in the pic lol, its heinrich brussow from the free state cheetahs, i wish I looked like that :lol:

Ok my stats are as follows: Age 22, height 178cm, weight 79KG, BF is lingering around the 12% mark.

I did change up my diet a few months back, am still trying to be more disciplined about it as I do cheat a bit too much on it, I definitely need to drop the carbs a little bit and maybe throw some more protein in. As far as supplementation goes, I am on creatine mono and glutamine and DAA at the moment, supplied by Ondier

When I was still stupid and didnt know abt roids, one of my mates gave me some Dianabol which i ran for abt 4 weeks, picked up about 6 or 7 kgs, diet was KAK! lost alot of that weight, and now have gained it all back naturally again I have gone up from 72kg's to 79 now this is over 3 months now just by eating better and training kak hard!

@ CHAPEL - I do know that dieting and cardio are good for cutting, thankfully this forum has taught me a hell of alot of good stuff, Im not exactly sure how much cardio I should be doing tho? What would u guys recommend? At the moment im doing about a 2km jog per day after gym.

At the end of the day I want to hit about 85 to 90 kg's, I want to be lean and hard, and I want to be discliplined enuf to keep it there, I definitely do not expect overnigth results, it would be nice to use some AAS to get there, but if you guys think that I should try and perfect my diet and cardio first then I definitely respect that.

Fire away with advice

EDIT: @Gorilla - Yes i'd love some nice vascularity as well, would love to run a course as you're suggesting but I dont know if Im disclipined enough with diet yet?

ok meneer.
90 kg is far from just having a fuller look and a bit of strength.
winny is not going to get you there very fast.
your going to need some serious food intake and some test. gaining 10-20kg will be hard work and even harder eating.
you have to bulk first and then cut.

thats what i will do

Yeah for sure I understand winny is not going to get me there, or proviron, Im not in a hurry, i want to do it right. I dont just want to do one course and be 90kg's haha, thats not what im saying.

For now I want to break 80kg's and be leaner and harder. So what do you guys recommend in terms of cardio and what else can i throw into my diet for more protein?

lets forget about the roids for now and help me perfect my diet and stuff.

Mmmm, bro so whats your actual goal? Do you have a short-term and a long-term goal? If I were you i'd contact dj instead of hopping on juice and get diet sorted, make some more gains until youve reached a natural peak, then do a 12 week test e cycle @600mg weekly, frontloaded with dbols 40mg ED and bridge to pct with winstrol,proviron,clen,yohimbe. Arimidex as anti-e. If dj helps you you can still drop fat and gain lean mass, just ask koe .

For now my goal is to go from 79 to lets say 83ish kilos, lets say drop bf to 9 or 10 percent, and be fit and strong or fitter and stronger should i say.

Once that goal is completed, I will look at hitting a nice course or something to then go for the golden 90, ripped to shreds and so forth

Can DJ help fix my diet and stuff?

dannyboy wrote: For now my goal is to go from 79 to lets say 83ish kilos, lets say drop bf to 9 or 10 percent, and be fit and strong or fitter and stronger should i say.

Once that goal is completed, I will look at hitting a nice course or something to then go for the golden 90, ripped to shreds and so forth

Can DJ help fix my diet and stuff?

Yeah bro 4kgs can be done without juice and 3% drop in bodyfat as well.Although you cant do it together, contact us page,admin,ask for djs email.

Ok sweet sounds good, I will definitely give him a shout and im sure he can help i just thought maybe because i have gained like 7kgs already, that i might have plateaued or somnething

I know we all say test only as a first cycle, but this is generally to keep guys from running test and deca or tren or whatever. A first cycle could consit of something like anavar and proviron, or if you're not scared of going straight into pinning every 2nd day, then test propionate and winstrol or anavar...
I have a mate of mine who is wanting to lean up a bit on a first cycle of Test prop and anavar... He'll get great lean gains, and will avoid too much water as well