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Axio labs vs Syntrop vs nomad labs vs PGW! Best 1?
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I want to start a course of Test Prop and looking for the best manufacturer and just your different views on these manufacturers...
I also see that syntrop and axio have come together and worked out ways of combining different juices in a vial.. I'll get the details and post just now.
Anyway all the help would be appreciated and I'm not that knowledgeable so ur help would be great. Thanks gents!
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Most here will tell you to go for PGW and the only reason they keep saying that is because they were happy with the quality and service.
Axio is not too bad, but good luck if you need a vial swopped... not going to happen as there is NO support, but with PGW there is always going to be great support should you have an issue.
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I'm going black market style so if a vial needs swopping not sure if supplier would... Lol.
And chapel I know iv bn starting new topics lately but its helping me make the best decision for me and I'm sure somehow helping other people with same issues as me.. I'm not as clued up as all the other guys but I guess this is a way of learning. So unlucks!
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TestFreak wrote: admin...what do mean "but good luck if you need a vial swopped"???
Lets say you bought a vial of Testaplex P100 (prop) and then out of nowhere a cold front hits and the next morning your prop crashed and formed crystals... where do you go to have it replaced? Nowhere, because your supplier will not take it back that's for sure. Now you are left trying to get it dissolved in the oven with a needle sticking out of the rubber stopper.
If you bought PGW Prop 100 and it crashes, you only have to take it back to your supplier and it will be swopped as PGW will compensate the supplier with his next order. Plain and simple and you don't have to mess around with oil at 180C.
EDIT: Have a look at this vial of Testaplex C200, it crashed. Note the crystals at the top of the vial. It was tossed in the end, because we couldn't get it dissolved again. If that was a vial of PGW Testocyp it would have been replaced no questions asked.
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Koe007 wrote: This has been extensively discussed on PGW vs nomad thread and many others, go pay more for shit if you want. The reason us local guys rave about PGW is because it's the best local brand, price,quality,service. I won't waste my time discussing this further all the best local guys use PGW and the biggest I might add. So enjoy your nomad...
Thanks man... I'm looking for what's best as I said so was looking at using PGW... U guys keep saying that u have great service from them... Is there a site or somewhere that I can buy from them instead of going black market? Then I know I'm getting the real deal. I'll be most probably be trying PGW.
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Remember, we've all been there and 95% of us on this forum came to the same conclusion and that is that we find PGW the best. The other 5% don't know here to buy PGW or they are suppliers of other brands.
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admin wrote:
TestFreak wrote: admin...what do mean "but good luck if you need a vial swopped"???
Lets say you bought a vial of Testaplex P100 (prop) and then out of nowhere a cold front hits and the next morning your prop crashed and formed crystals... where do you go to have it replaced? Nowhere, because your supplier will not take it back that's for sure. Now you are left trying to get it dissolved in the oven with a needle sticking out of the rubber stopper.
If you bought PGW Prop 100 and it crashes, you only have to take it back to your supplier and it will be swopped as PGW will compensate the supplier with his next order. Plain and simple and you don't have to mess around with oil at 180C.
EDIT: Have a look at this vial of Testaplex C200, it crashed. Note the crystals at the top of the vial. It was tossed in the end, because we couldn't get it dissolved again. If that was a vial of PGW Testocyp it would have been replaced no questions asked.
aaaah, okay! thats good to know. PGW here i come :woohoo:
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Um, but im scared of needles...
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Koe007 wrote: Id question the ability to dilute all those compounds together and whether this could actually be done scientifically, perhaps DJ or Admin could advise.
I can be done, but it all depends on the ability of the carrier oil and solvents how much they can dilute before falling out of solution.
It's like mixing sugar and salt in the same glass of water... it's possible, but if you keep adding sugar and salt the water will soon be saturated and the solution will crash.
I fully agree with Spike and the only mixes that might be useful are when you mix different esters of the same compound. Mixing different compounds complicate things too much and you have no control over dosages.
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Koe007 wrote: It's like mixing sugar and salt in the same glass of water... it's possible, but if you keep adding sugar and salt the water will soon be saturated and the solution will crash.
i agree with u admin, its possible to say dilute 150mg test en and 150mg equipoise into 1 ml for instance but these guys trying to get 500mg per ml is short of impossible dont u agree? like 200mg equi,200mg cyp and 100mg tren en, most people make that amount per single ml of soulution so these guys are trying to get what should be in 3mls down into 1?
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DJ wrote:
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Koe007 wrote: It's like mixing sugar and salt in the same glass of water... it's possible, but if you keep adding sugar and salt the water will soon be saturated and the solution will crash.
i agree with u admin, its possible to say dilute 150mg test en and 150mg equipoise into 1 ml for instance but these guys trying to get 500mg per ml is short of impossible dont u agree? like 200mg equi,200mg cyp and 100mg tren en, most people make that amount per single ml of soulution so these guys are trying to get what should be in 3mls down into 1?
Yeah, you can mix low dosages no prob, but you are right you cannot keep adding and adding hormones to a single ml. It doesn't work that way. It's like someone claiming he dissolved 1kg sugar into 100ml of water.
EDIT: Some hormones dissolve easier than others. Like deca and Test E are pretty easy, however Prop is a bitch unless you are PGW and know what you are doing. I'm sitting with 50g Test E on my desk actually and they melted due to the higher temperature of summer.
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admin wrote: Why don't you try all the brands and see what works best for you? I've been there and tried them all before finding PGW and staying with them. I've been supporting PGW since beginning of 2007 and I've never been disappointed.
Most here will tell you to go for PGW and the only reason they keep saying that is because they were happy with the quality and service.
Axio is not too bad, but good luck if you need a vial swopped... not going to happen as there is NO support, but with PGW there is always going to be great support should you have an issue.
as some guys here know .... i was a STAUNCH supporter of another brand that i used to be involved with , they still have a good product. But i've honestly found the PGW products to be flawless, i really can't put it any other way.
Personally, i dont like Nomad at all , never used Axio but i've never heard great things about it either.
So the only brands i'd use are :
DCG and PGW
CGW (overseas product)
and some of the other UG labs contacts i have from years back ... but its too much hassle getting it into the country
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