Need cycle advice please guys

Pyroclasm wrote: Yes that's absolutely spot on well done bro! Just something from my side- the half life for test-Cyp is 36 days whereas for test-en it's only 30 days. So run the Test-En 20 days longer than the EQ. For the Arimidex you will only use it if gyno symptoms appear. Symptoms include itchy/puffy nipples, lumps on the breast tissue, etc. Trust me you will know if there is something wrong. If you recognize these symptoms then use the Arimidex:
Week 1: 0.5mg ED (if symptoms do not subside after a couple of days then you can do 1mg ED like I did)
Week 2: 0.25mg ED
Week 3: 0.25mg EOD
It is important to taper down the AI to prevent estrogen rebound. When it comes to gyno rather be safe than sorry. If you think you have gyno, nip it in the bud immediately with your AI.

Thanks for the advice I will definitely keep adex on hand, just another question, you mentioned I should do pct number 3, I cannot get hold of any ovidrel, but I can get pregnyl 5000iu's...
Will it be okay to do pct no 2? Also do I need to begin the hcg while still on cycle or will it be fine to use just during pct with clomid and nolvadex? I have never used hcg before (in fact, nothing in an insulin syringe lol) so I am new to it..

An thinking of bumping the test up to 750mgs per week cos my last cycle was 600mgs per week, will run equi for 14 weeks at 700mgs per week and run the test 20 days longer than the equi so they both clear out my system at the same time...

So basically if I run my equi for 14 weeks, then I need to run test for 17 weeks (roughly) and after my last shot of test, begin my bridge? Am only going to run winstrol for 4 weeks which is basically 30 days (due to cash restrictions) does this sound right to you?

Ovidrel and Pregnyl = Coke and Pepsi (same shit different pile). Do PCT 3. The reason I say this is because the cycle is very long and your balls will be shut down for more than 20 weeks in total! The difference between PCT 2 and PCT 3 is the addition of Aromasin. HCG is run in both of them. Use the HCG on cycle instead of PCT at 250ius twice a week from week 5 all the way to PCT. This ensures a much smoother PCT! You can run the test at 750mg no problem. Winstrol is fine. Like I said- EQ is kak expensive so Definately expected you to say this.

On to more important things: Let's hear that diet!

if i was you i would buy the adex in any case. the chances your going to get gyno symptoms at that doses is big. rather safe than sorry.

Pyroclasm wrote: Ovidrel and Pregnyl = Coke and Pepsi (same shit different pile). Do PCT 3. The reason I say this is because the cycle is very long and your balls will be shut down for more than 20 weeks in total! The difference between PCT 2 and PCT 3 is the addition of Aromasin. HCG is run in both of them. Use the HCG on cycle instead of PCT at 250ius twice a week from week 5 all the way to PCT. This ensures a much smoother PCT! You can run the test at 750mg no problem. Winstrol is fine. Like I said- EQ is kak expensive so Definately expected you to say this.

On to more important things: Let's hear that diet!

I'll post up my diet as soon as I open up my laptop, it's a bit tricky off a phone lol
But I think I do have a pretty good diet, I eat very clean and am still hoping to drop to single digit bf% before I start this cycle.
And yes you're right, equi is kak expensive... A mate of mine suggested I drop the equi and do a shorter cycle of test and tren with a winstrol bridge to pct, ie

Weeks 1 to 12: Test E 900mgs per week
Weeks 1 to 12: Tren E 300mgs per week
Weeks 1 to 6: Tbol 50mgs per day
Weeks 4 to 20: Proviron 60mgs per day
Weeks 16 to 20: Winstrol 50mgs per day

PCT no 3,

This still works out cheaper than the test/equi, any advice on this cycle?

if you are going to do tren you are going to be in need of some more meds to counter prolactin and progestin sides. tren is a whole new ball game and also not that much cheaper than eq. you maybe have to rethink your cycle alltogetger. your buddy is going to get you hurt and he wont be there to do the answering if you suffer from limp dick.

gab wrote: if you are going to do tren you are going to be in need of some more meds to counter prolactin and progestin sides. tren is a whole new ball game and also not that much cheaper than eq. you maybe have to rethink your cycle alltogetger. your buddy is going to get you hurt and he wont be there to do the answering if you suffer from limp dick.

By more meds do you mean caber?

NOOOOOOOOOO Tren for a third cycle!!

Pyroclasm wrote: NOOOOOOOOOO Tren for a third cycle!!

Why no tren?

A million reasons but to make a long story short:
Tren is really harsh on your body
Tren cough
Side effects are terrible
You could get the same gains from a much milder cycle
Kidneys
Tren cough

Pyroclasm wrote: A million reasons but to make a long story short:
Tren is really harsh on your body
Tren cough
Side effects are terrible
You could get the same gains from a much milder cycle
Kidneys
Tren cough

When you say milder, what exactly do you mean? Sorry I know I started off this topic on test and equi but now onto different things...
I have been getting so many mixed opinions about tren... Some day it's the "rolls Royce of steroids" and that it's the best... Others say side effects are extreme with it.. But at a dosage of 300mgs of tren enanthate would I still experience these side effects?
The main problem is cash cash cash, equi is expensive and has to be run for long, whereas tren can be run for much shorter..
Maybe if I leave out a second compound and just run a simple 12 week test e at 900mgs per week with tbol kickstart and winstrol bridge that would be better? Sorry for changing the topic etc but I just need as much advice as possible and any feedback is appreciated!

Cheers

choose a cycle and stick with it ...leave the Tren for later when u are more exp ...it is good stuff if u know what u are doing after a lot of exp otherwise u will end up chuking the stuff like some have done because of the sides that come with.

mike123 wrote: choose a cycle and stick with it ...leave the Tren for later when u are more exp ...it is good stuff if u know what u are doing after a lot of exp otherwise u will end up chuking the stuff like some have done because of the sides that come with.

Any opinions on a good cycle to run that's fairly simple yet effective enough to gain.. I definitely will be using test e with tbol kickstart and winstrol bridge, what other compound could I add to this?

your original cycle ? or Deca at 525mg per week use letro for gyno ?

If cash is an issue then why not try something like this:
Week 1-10: Test Prop @1.5ml EOD
Week 1-10: NPP @1ml EOD
Bridge with Winstrol
You can add a couple of weeks of Clen and Yohimbine into the mix. I.m.o they are very cheap.

Pyroclasm wrote: If cash is an issue then why not try something like this:
Week 1-10: Test Prop @1.5ml EOD
Week 1-10: NPP @1ml EOD
Bridge with Winstrol
You can add a couple of weeks of Clen and Yohimbine into the mix. I.m.o they are very cheap.

Not so keen on the whole pinning eod idea, just want to try keep it at twice a week.. What is the main reasoning behind waiting to use tren? Surely if I have all my meds on hand that I need and do my research properly, then it should be fine?

In a perfect world KOE would jump in here and tell you from his wisdom exactly why Tren is a kak idea. But sadly it's not so I will do my best:
You do not need Tren to make the gains you are looking for. Your receptors are still relatively fresh on your third cycle and you will still see massive gains on even just a test only cycle. I understand your pain in EOD injections bro! I am doing it atm and its driving me looney! How about this:
Week 1-10: Test En @600mg/week
Week 1-10: NPP @450ml/week
You can get away with injecting twice a week.

Start on 300mg of NPP and 600mg of test en weekly u can do this in 2 shots a week, then go to 450mg npp and 900mg test en when you have established if u are going to get sides, 300mg of npp and 600mg has been used by quite a few of my clients and have gained decent weight... Front load with oral turinabol as an oral

DJ wrote: Start on 300mg of NPP and 600mg of test en weekly u can do this in 2 shots a week, then go to 450mg npp and 900mg test en when you have established if u are going to get sides, 300mg of npp and 600mg has been used by quite a few of my clients and have gained decent weight... Front load with oral turinabol as an oral

Thank you for the advice!
Will it be necessary to run proviron and or arimidex throughout the cycle?
And also, I'm battling to find a source for bromo/caber, will I need either of these while using npp?
My last cycle was 600mgs test e per week with 350mgs of deca per week and I got a small lump underneath my nipple and I was using proviron... Any other ways to combat this?

Pyroclasm wrote: In a perfect world KOE would jump in here and tell you from his wisdom exactly why Tren is a kak idea. But sadly it's not so I will do my best:
You do not need Tren to make the gains you are looking for. Your receptors are still relatively fresh on your third cycle and you will still see massive gains on even just a test only cycle. I understand your pain in EOD injections bro! I am doing it atm and its driving me looney! How about this:
Week 1-10: Test En @600mg/week
Week 1-10: NPP @450ml/week
You can get away with injecting twice a week.

Okay so I've been doing some reading up on npp and am liking what I read!! Only problem is last time I used deca I got Gyno from it.. And I've tried a few sources and none have caber for the progesterone side effects does letrozole help with this? I will be using proviron at 60mgs per day but I know that it's only for estrogen side effects...

Is Gyno a big issue with the short acting deca? I don't want to make it any worse than what it already is!

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/2-anabo...121475-gyno?start=25

what MA said....

NPP is probably my favourite anabolic but if you are gyno prone from deca and can't get caber or bromo then I wouldn't risk it. I would delay my cycle until I could get hold of some.

Muscleaddict wrote: NPP is probably my favourite anabolic but if you are gyno prone from deca and can't get caber or bromo then I wouldn't risk it. I would delay my cycle until I could get hold of some.

What did guys use in the days when caber and bromo were not around? Did they just pump the deca and hope for the best lol :blink:

Pyroclasm wrote: Ovidrel and Pregnyl = Coke and Pepsi (same shit different pile). Do PCT 3. The reason I say this is because the cycle is very long and your balls will be shut down for more than 20 weeks in total! The difference between PCT 2 and PCT 3 is the addition of Aromasin. HCG is run in both of them. Use the HCG on cycle instead of PCT at 250ius twice a week from week 5 all the way to PCT. This ensures a much smoother PCT! You can run the test at 750mg no problem. Winstrol is fine. Like I said- EQ is kak expensive so Definately expected you to say this.

On to more important things: Let's hear that diet!

Okay so here goes with the diet... I work full time and the only time I get to train is first thing in the morning at 5am...

Wake up:
1 scoop whey
Creatine monohydrate
Banana

Train with weights + cardio

Post workout:
Blend up 1 scoop whey, 3 egg whites, 1 whole egg, 1 cup of raw oats
In water

10am:
Low fat Bulgarian yoghurt with almonds

1pm:
Chicken breast with broccoli and brown rice or tuna and brown rice
OR
2 slices rye bread with chicken loaf and low fat mayo

3pm:
Whey and almonds

Supper:
Whatever is cooked, try keep the carbs low and lots of green veg and lean protein but occasionally this isn't possible, especially if I don't cook lol

Bedtime:
Casein and peanut butter

Any feedback is appreciated!! I think I need to rethink my pre and post workout meals but I'm sure the experts on here can help me out!
Cheers

No offense bro but that diet is crap! Before you even consider using steroids you need to go read the dieting stickies created by DJ and get that diet spot on.

Pyroclasm wrote: No offense bro but that diet is crap! Before you even consider using steroids you need to go read the dieting stickies created by DJ and get that diet spot on.

Stupid question, but where do I find these stickies? I'm still pretty new here