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Oupa wrote: The function below works like google

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Thank you

Colt wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Do not for the love of Zuma go on steroids now you are gonna fuck up your HPTA axis permanently!!

Please may I ask what my HPTA axis is ?

HPTA is your Hypothalimary Pituitary Testicular Axis (cannot remember how to spell ). Basically everything to do with creating testosterone, from the balls to the hormones signalling your balls to work. If you use the search function like Oupa is suggesting you will find everything you need to know. Don´t hesititate to ask if you don´t understand something Mr Scaredy Cat.

Colt wrote:

Oupa wrote: Use the link below if you have any questions that might breach our rules.

Enquiries

Thank you very much.

I just want to add that when I say, breach the rules, I mean stupid question - like noob questions. Basic things about steroids that I would like to know. I have seen that this forum does not take kindly to "stupid" (noob) questions


Example: If I take one of the sample cycles on this site, for example a 100 day cycle, but I cut it down to 50 days .. would I be wasting my money ? (just an example of a question).

Please keep in mind that my goal is to test products for my own TRT needs. So instead of a going on a full bodybuilding cycle, I just want to test the product first to see what effect the product will have on my energy levels, my mood, etc.

Hope this makes sense ?

You aren't listening. Your problem is low testosterone so why use other steroids besides testosterone? You need a long term solution, not a steroid cycle. You are going to cause other problems with your body. TRT is for life.

You seem to have already decided that you are going to do this so stick with testosterone only. Testosterone cypionate or enanthate. When you go over a normal TRT dose (around 100mg/week max for most men) you will develop high estrogen and you will get side effects eventually, which are worse with high body fat. Trust me you don't want to have to be on an aromatase inhibitor long term. If you take too much you will also raise your red blood cell count too high, raising your risk of thrombosis and a heart attack. Then there is also your prostate etc.

Muscleaddict wrote: You aren't listening. Your problem is low testosterone so why use other steroids besides testosterone? You need a long term solution, not a steroid cycle. You are going to cause other problems with your body. TRT is for life.

You seem to have already decided that you are going to do this so stick with testosterone only. Testosterone cypionate or enanthate. When you go over a normal TRT dose (around 100mg/week max for most men) you will develop high estrogen and you will get side effects eventually, which are worse with high body fat. Trust me you don't want to have to be on an aromatase inhibitor long term. If you take too much you will also raise your red blood cell count too high, raising your risk of thrombosis and a heart attack. Then there is also your prostate etc.

No, please don't get me wrong. I am listening, and have not decided on steroids. I just don't know enough to understand the full picture, therefore the noob questions.

I understand that taking steroids means, my body will produce less testosterone, therefore I am making the problem worse. I also understand the testosterone / estrogen effect.

So this was just a sample question. I am just trying to understand the bigger picture, but I think I have most of it down. But there are still things in the bigger picture I am not getting (my apologies .... see ? I was scared to ask noob questions ).

Are bodybuilders not taking the same risk as I am then ? I am missing the link between
(1) me taking steroids with low T levels, and
(2) a bodybuilder taking steroids with normal T levels.

Are we not taking the same risk ?

Like MA said ...once again . If u go on cycle u feel good when u come off u are not cured ...ten to one your HTPA will be further f*cked so u are going to feel worse.
IMO u have two choices...
1. Healthy diet exercise and sups already mentioned and antidepressants ...I still recomend running or brisk walking ..It will help boost everything including serotonin which is a feel good hormone as well as push test up a bit.
2.U go on TRT which is for life...added to the above life style .

Then if u want to bodybuilt use the cruze and blast theory but dont blast to much at your age ...Prostate heart ect...

goodluck and look after yourself

Colt wrote: Are bodybuilders not taking the same risk as I am then ? I am missing the link between
(1) me taking steroids with low T levels, and
(2) a bodybuilder taking steroids with normal T levels.

Are we not taking the same risk ?

No. People with normal Test Levels have a healthy HPTA axis, whereas you Mr Colt with low test has one that is sickly and unhappy. Theirs can handle the heavy whereas yours might not be able to. Yours has a much higher chance of permanent shutdown than theirs.

Cycles are done roughly for 8 to 12 weeks then we come off and time the PCT to recover the HPTA
and then aprox a further 3 months off ...this is to keep the risk low ....but shit happens
anyone can come back with a f*cked HPTA and then would have to TRT for life ..keep in mind
a cycle is 400 to 600 mg per week of test plus what ever else you mix in....TRT as MA said is only 100mg per week which is what your system if healthy would produce naturely ...

You can never compare your situation to the body builder life.

Thank you very much. This helps a lot.

Sjoe, this is a dangerous game. It means you guys are also taking chances. Thank you very much for the advice, and also for the warnings, and for the information.

It is sad, I do not like my options much. The fact that my T levels are already low, that is depressing. And to think of going on TRT for life, that is even more depressing

At least I asked my questions, and I got my answers. Thank you guys, I really appreciate it.

I used to be so fit. I did karate, played tennis. In the army I did well physically. After the army I did lots of sport. But my career took its toll, I trained less and worked more. My hours are hectic now.

Now my weekends have changed from weekends to sick leave, as I call it. I was hoping that (gear ?) could help me recover my old self, but it seems not.

I do appreciate your honesty and your help though. Thank you.

Colt wrote: Sjoe, this is a dangerous game. It means you guys are also taking chances. Thank you very much for the advice, and also for the warnings, and for the information.

Absolutely bud! Luckily there is a safe way to use these chemicals and knowledge means power!

chin up man, there's worse things in the world than TRT.

Boet there are thousands of older guys on TRT...put there by there doctors mostly because there wifes complain of a lack of sex life ....It is a injection once every 3 months or a patch so not as bad as it sounds and the risk is faaar less than doing steriod cycles plus u have a doctor monitoring u......Do your best to get back into sport

And on a final note make a appointment with your doc today still ...if she cant help ask to see a specialst.....U dont have to / shouldnt have to suffer bru

The difference is most of us don't stay on steroids year round. I was off for 7 months before starting my last cycle so my body could recover. TRT is year round for the rest of your life. Huge difference.

Ok, 1 last question:

Would somebody like me be able to do bodybuilding ?

Possibly. but firstly you need do drop your body fat right down, cardio and a good diet
And most importantly see a specialist

mike123 wrote: Like MA said ...once again . If u go on cycle u feel good when u come off u are not cured ...ten to one your HTPA will be further f*cked so u are going to feel worse.

Does this also apply to Tribulis ? At the moment, when I use Tribulis, it helps me, but when I stop, I feel very tired again.

But now I am scared that if I keep using it to feel better, will that also affect my HTPA ?

No Tribulis is not a steroid. This effect only applies to Steroids.

Pyroclasm wrote: No Tribulis is not a steroid. This effect only applies to Steroids.

This is great news. Thank you.

Pyroclasm wrote: MA gave you his viewpoint and he makes a very good point backed by years of research. I am going to give you my viewpoint on this so you have a better rounded story so to speak. I think your low test levels and lack of energy is directly caused by your high cortisol levels. These two are the classic symptoms. You need to do everything in your power to lower your cortisol.

You say you feel aggressive and alive on Tribules? Yes yes bud these are signs of testosterone levels rising! Tribulis is out of your system very quickly, but very effective at raising testosterone levels for somebody with low test. ZMA and DMA too. I agree with Rhino- get these three supps they should make you feel a whole lot better. Also get some Vit B12 and Vit B-Complex shots (not tablets). Get a good multivit as well- very important for someone with a hectic lifestyle like yours. Vitamin C and D very good for cortisol. Do not for the love of Zuma go on steroids now you are gonna fuck up your HPTA axis permanently!!

End of the day the root cause of your high cortisol is the lack of sleep no doubt it. You are going to have to sort this out dude. That, or you might have to be on meds for the rest of your life. Life is too short to be unhappy bud! Money is just a man made concept.

Ok, I took your advice, and also did a bit of homework on my own this week. So today I bought myself the following list:

17-Testo (from USN) - it contains Tribulis, and also ZMA
ZMA - I bought an extra dosage of ZMA separately which I will take at bedtime
Vit D (from Solal)
Rhodiola - a herb that suppresses your cortisol levels, and boosts your immune system
Fish oil


One problem: I went to Dis-chem, and also to a health shop, and nobody knows what DMA is. So I am not sure if you maybe meant, DMAE (a mood / brain booster), or if you maybe meant DHEA (but this is now a scheduled drug and you need a prescription for this).

From my homework I found that Rhodiola is one of the best herbs for suppressing cortisol, and that for people with high stress and cortisol levels, fish oil is also a great supplement.

I just have to be careful with the fish oil, as one side effect from fish oil is that it thins your blood, and I tend to suffer from nose bleeds, so I will monitor my intake of fish oil. But they say that you need at least 2000 mg per day (much more than the dosage prescribed on the bottle itself). I bought Patrich Holford's fish oil, which is guarenteed to be Mercury Free.

And I have Cal-C-Vita in my kitchen, which I will keep taking now.

Lol Dude kudoes for doing your own research that´s really great!! But USN? Really?

Rhodiola is excellent at suppressing cortisol levels. We mean DMA, not DMAA and definately not DHEA. lol @ Your obsession with Mr Holford. You obviously have cash for days!

www.ergo-log.com/tongkat-ali-boosts-test...th-over-fifties.html

Proper evidence is still lacking on Tongkat Ali with a prominent double-blind study noting no significant difference in testosterone levels. Many studies do note a sense of well being while being on the substance. Give it a go and give some feedback. I.m.o it seems promising.

Could have got those sups from BSSA for half the price and probably even more.
Colt, didn't see that you got the B12 and B12 Complex? You should get yourself some bud. It's really cheap and I think it could help you on your road to recovery. Check out the BSSA website bud. www.bssa.biz/ . Service is great and best value for money i.m.o.
Good luck with your recovery bud.

RonTheSaveg wrote: Could have got those sups from BSSA for half the price and probably even more.
Colt, didn't see that you got the B12 and B12 Complex? You should get yourself some bud. It's really cheap and I think it could help you on your road to recovery. Check out the BSSA website bud. www.bssa.biz/ . Service is great and best value for money i.m.o.
Good luck with your recovery bud.

Can't FORCE him to use BSSA bud. We can only point him in the right direction. Afterwards he must choose his own journey.