Life begins at 40!

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for an awesome site. I have reached the dreaded forties but instead of falling on the couch and drinking beer, I have decided to join the gym community and transform my twig of a body into something extraordinary.

I never considered steroids as a kid because I was not into gym and believed that as a youngster my natural testosterone levels were high enough. And to be honest, I was ashamed of the body I had. I was a wimp that judged what you guys do as pathetic.I apologise in advance for my pure stupidity.

Now that I have reached my forties, I realize I want to have a body I can be proud of, and that I have no judgements regarding steroid use. I am wise enough to know all too well that steroids are not a magic pill that changes your body overnight. It simply helps what is a lifestyle decision. Huge ups to all you guys hitting the weights out there. Huge respect because it is f (I mean damn) difficult.

I have seen what a tight community you guys all are after I joined a gym in February and you have all inspired me. I want desperately to be a part of your world.

After gyming hard for two months and conducting extensive research, I have recently started my first cycle!! My starting weight on February 1st 2014 was 79,5kg. My goal is 95kg.
I would really appreciate advice on what all you pros out there think of my first ever cycle.
I know from my research that the body only reacts this potently to the first cycle. So I really want to make it count!

I started my 15 week cycle on March 18 2014. The details are as follows:

[1] 1ml of Test Blend injected on Monday and Thursday
[2] 1ml of Deca injected on Monday and Thursday
[3] 2x 20mg Anavar Oxandrolone capsules everyday
[4] 1x 25mg Proviron Mesterolone tablets everyday

I also got Femara as a safety because I heard that I may experience nipple pain. But so far I have had no pain.
In addition I take a pre-workout, a recovery fuel as well as whey protein and glutamine.

Would appreciate feedback and look forward to chatting to many of you.
Looking forward to transforming my body and sharing it with all of you.

Respect to all. Life begins at 40?

Nate

Hi Nate and welcome. Instead of ml can you please edit to mg? Dosages vary with so many of the chemicals.
What does your diet look like and how's your BF%?

Also how long will you be using each of those substances?

Hi Nate. Welcome.

Please post all your stats as well as diet and training regimen.

Stop the Anavar and take towards the end of cycle and during the bridge. Also bump up to at least 60mg per day.

Proviron should be taken at least twice a day.

Lastly. Post your PCT. This is critical to your recovery and gain retention.

Your goal is also going to take a while. Never going to happen in one or two cycles. Plus your training and diet off cycle has to be strict.

It's a big stick you've pulled off the tree for yourself but just hang in there and know this is a 2-5 year game plan for you.

Edited with mg instead on ml. Thanks T-Style

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for an awesome site. I have reached the dreaded forties but instead of falling on the couch and drinking beer, I have decided to join the gym community and transform my twig of a body into something extraordinary.

I never considered steroids as a kid because I was not into gym and believed that as a youngster my natural testosterone levels were high enough. And to be honest, I was ashamed of the body I had. I was a wimp that judged what you guys do as pathetic.I apologise in advance for my pure stupidity.

Now that I have reached my forties, I realize I want to have a body I can be proud of, and that I have no judgements regarding steroid use. I am wise enough to know all too well that steroids are not a magic pill that changes your body overnight. It simply helps what is a lifestyle decision. Huge ups to all you guys hitting the weights out there. Huge respect because it is f (I mean damn) difficult.

I have seen what a tight community you guys all are after I joined a gym in February and you have all inspired me. I want desperately to be a part of your world.

After gyming hard for two months and conducting extensive research, I have recently started my first cycle!! My starting weight on February 1st 2014 was 79,5kg. My goal is 95kg.
I would really appreciate advice on what all you pros out there think of my first ever cycle.
I know from my research that the body only reacts this potently to the first cycle. So I really want to make it count!

I started my 15 week cycle on March 18 2014. The details are as follows:

[1] 1mg of Test Blend injected on Monday and Thursday
[2] 1mg of Deca injected on Monday and Thursday
[3] 2x 20mg Anavar Oxandrolone capsules everyday
[4] 1x 25mg Proviron Mesterolone tablets everyday

I also got Femara as a safety because I heard that I may experience nipple pain. But so far I have had no pain.
In addition I take a pre-workout, a recovery fuel as well as whey protein and glutamine.

Would appreciate feedback and look forward to chatting to many of you.
Looking forward to transforming my body and sharing it with all of you.

Respect to all. Life begins at 40?

Nate

Nate40 wrote:
[1] 1mg of Test Blend injected on Monday and Thursday
[2] 1mg of Deca injected on Monday and Thursday

bud, you made a small error... 1mg Deca or test aint gonna do much

What T-Style meant was, whats the mg/ml ratio of your compounds ? if you are not sure, post what brand you will be using.

Thank you for the warm welcome CycloTrpTyr and T-Style.

Here are the answers to all your questions and requests as promised:

Full body stats as at 18 March 2014:
Weight - 82,4kg
Height - 183cm
Chest - 105cm
Bicep - 35cm
Waist - 91cm
Upper Leg - 54cm
Calf - 35cm
Body Fat Percentage: 24,5%

My training regime has been strict so far. Training six days a week with a non training day on Thursday. Diet & Training on average day:
8am - one litre water
8.30am - Futurelife Whey Protein Shake with non-fat milk, peanut butter, two bananas and teaspoon of honey
10am - Whey Protein & Glutamine Shake
11am - NO Explode Pre-Workout
11.30am - Gym Warm-up
11.45am - Gym
1.15pm - Gym warm-down and stretch
1.30pm - Post workout recovery shake
2pm - Tuna with tomatoes or chicken fillet with salad
4pm - Whey Protein and Glutamime Shake
7pm - Beef Fillet, Brown Rice and a vegetable, usually brocolli
10pm - Shake before bed

Have quit smoking and all alcohol.

You saying I should double my intake of Proviron? Is 25mg not enough?
Should I really quit Ana-V completely? It has helped tremendously with strength. I was also told it was perfect for older guys instead of stanazol which was my first choice. I was also told it was better to take 40mg, because the fear was that 60mg may cause me to cut too much in the beginning?

T-Style I have started with a 15 week cycle, followed by a proper PCT.
Cyclo I am still working on my options for PCT, but at the moment it will include Clomid and Pregnyl?

Really sore this morning but feel the anavar has been helping to keep me going.
Also, my nipples are a bit sensitive today. How bad do you let it get before I take a Femara?

Shot guys, Nate

Hi Oupa,

Sorry sir, still learning the lingo.
The Nandrobolin-250 is 250mg per ml ampoule
The Induject-250 comprises (per 1ml ampoule):
Proprionate - 30mg
Isocaproate 60mg
Phenylproprionate - 60mg
Decanoate - 100mg

Thanks Oupa.

Regards, Nate

Nate

First of all, based on your current physical condition you shouldn't be using steroids at all.

You are putting unnecessary strain on your heart and other organs and are heading straight to "kak straat"

I recommend you stop your cycle and start a proper pct after a few weeks. Get your training and physical condition up to scratch before you touch steroids.

Hi Oupa,

My current physical condition? Is it that bad? I am currently in the best shape I have been since I was 25. Am I not in good enough shape to do a cycle?

Obviously I will take your advice very seriously. If I stopped now, which PCT do you recommend Oupa?

A little shocked, Nate

Lol don't be shocked Nate. A lot of guys get told what you have been told.
It basically boils down to your body fat %. It is way to high for a cycle I'm afraid. Even 16-20% is to high.
Oupa will shed more light on this i'm sure.
Trust what he is saying and don't rush I to getting back on to your cycle if you do take his advice.
Take a look at your diet first of all. You not eating enough protein to start. Go to the diet section and have a look at the stickies, there is huge help there that can guide you to doing your own awesome diet.
Although in your 40s you are by no means behind the rest. With a bit more knowledge of nutrition and help from the guys here in the next 2-3 years you will really be happy. Not saying you not happy now but the saying goes....A little goes a long way.
Problem with a cycle and getting results and good results now is, as fast as you put it on or lost it is as fast as it will be reversed.

Don't be scared of what oupa said. With a bit of dedication and hard work you could be ready to cycle in about 3-4 months possibly less.

Lol don't be shocked. Sometimes you have to be told what you don't want to hear to progress.

And I assure you with the seniors on this site around you are in very good hands.

Nate. You said you did extensive research. You now have a smidgeon that you are applying your knowledge incorrectly.

You may well be in the best shape of your life but your bodyfat is still to high. This leads to an increase in aromatase enzymes which convert testosterone to oestrogen.
Because your natural Test had been decreasing since you were 20 and you're in poor shape you have shocked your body by introducing exogenous testosterone. It has shut down what little test your body was producing and the aromatase enzymes have kicked into overdrive.
You mention sore/sensitive nipples. This may be the start of gynaecomastia and if you continue your cycle you could develop a nice set if breasts which may require surgical removal.

In short, take Oupa's advice. Drop your BF% down to under 12% before even considering another cycle. At least you now know you're gyno prone so that will immediately cancel out certain steroids.

The guys will advise on what to use in future but listen to the advice

With only 2 months of gym experience at the age of 40, history of inactivity, consuming alcohol and current bodyfat of 25%, you are in no condition to use steroids.

As for what i recommend, start hcg (pregnyl) @ 250ui twice a week. Beginning week 5 start with clomid @ 50mg for 2 weeks followed by Nolvadex @ 20mg for 30 days.

Keep your diet at a caloric deficit of +- 500 and have blood tests done in 8 weeks to make sure your pct was effective. Train like a monster for 6 months and lets chat again.

Nate its great that you started lifting bud, keep at it. The boys have given you some good info here! Just two questions quick mate:
I see you have your letro for the test but did not see caber for the deca, were you using caber?
Lastly are you sure about your body fat? With your posted stats you would be a backstreet boy with a beer boep! How was it measured? Or is that your bmi?

If that is actual body fat then follow Oupa's pct just throw in some aromasin for 30 days with the nolva because of the 19 nors at 20mg daily

Hi Oupa, Fillet, T-Style, Cyclo.

First of all thank you for all the interest and feedback. For my first day on the site it has been incredible.

Before I continue, apologies for all the drama I created. TYPO. I see on my write-up of my existence I put in 24,5% bodyfat. It is actually 14,5%.

And although I have stated that muscularity wise, I am in the best shape of my life, even this bodyfat percentage is probably the highest I have been in my life due to quitting long distance running.
For most of my 30's it has been between 6 and 9%. in my 20's it was under 6.

So apologies Oupa for not pointing out my history in terms of exercise. I have always been highly active. Just because I couldn't bulk in the gym does not mean I wasn't highly active. In fact even at 40 I can still do a 10km run in 35min.

Thirdly I have never been a big drinker. It was mostly beer and even that was mostly to load on carbs. Leaving alcohol completely was an easy decision.

Cyclo, just a point regarding possible man tits. I may have overstated the sensitivity of the nipples a bit. I only bought the femara as a safety because it was recommended. I guess what I wanted to know was should I take one for the first little bit of sensitivity or am I overreacting?

Lastly Fillet, thanks for the kind words. Letro and caber? Struggling to answer your question. Body fat percentage question answered above. Thanks mate.

Thanks a lot guys, Nate

Cabergoline must be used with 19nors such as Tren and Deca for prolactin side effects. Must is the operative word. It lowers prolactin effeciently and will get rid of sexual disfunction caused by prolactin which comes from Deca.
Its a dopamine agonist.

So for testosterone you have letro/arimidex on hand and use if needed
For 19 nors you use caber, this has to be used.

And with that BF you are good to cycle, although Deca was not a good choice for first cycle.

I also got Femara as a safety because I heard that I may experience nipple pain< this is your letro.

Thanks Fillet,

Wow thanks bro. I really appreciate you taking me through the steps without being condoscending. Thank you.

So my "letro" for the testosterone is Femara, which I only use if needed? When do i take it from your experience? Only with nipple pain or at the first sign of sensitivity? Because the little sensitivity I had yesterday is gone today.
Is Arimidex just another type of letro which can be used for testosterone side effects?

So the Deca is a 19 Nors, and I have to purchase "Cabergoline" which is a dopamine agonist - and use it everyday to counteract prolactin? Quantity recommended when looking at my cycle?
What are the most common side effects of not using the Caber from your experience? Because to be honest I have had no signs of sexual dysfunction. In fact it has been better then ever down there.

Is the Capergoline used in addition to the Ana-V oxandrolone and the Proviron I am already taking?

BF?

Thanks Fillet. You rule bro.
Nate

Hi guys,

Update on my stats - Taken properly by the doctor today - Wednesday 9 April 2014:

Weight - 87,6kg (Up from 82,4kg) +5,2kg since cycle started
Chest - 111cm (Up from 105cm) +6cm
Bicep - 39cm (Up from 35cm) +4cm
Waist - 87cm (Down from 91cm) -4cm
Upper Leg - 56cm (Up from 54cm) +2cm
Calf - 37cm (Up from 35cm) +2cm
Body Fat Percentage: 12,8% (Down from 14,5%) - Down 1,7%

Thanks guys, Nate.

Nice progress Bud. Keep it up

Thank you sir. I appreciate that. Nate

Nate40 wrote: Hi guys,

Update on my stats - Taken properly by the doctor today - Wednesday 9 April 2014:

Weight - 87,6kg (Up from 82,4kg) +5,2kg since cycle started
Chest - 111cm (Up from 105cm) +6cm
Bicep - 39cm (Up from 35cm) +4cm
Waist - 87cm (Down from 91cm) -4cm
Upper Leg - 56cm (Up from 54cm) +2cm
Calf - 37cm (Up from 35cm) +2cm
Body Fat Percentage: 12,8% (Down from 14,5%) - Down 1,7%

Thanks guys, Nate.

Based on your diet and cycle your cm gains in 4 weeks does not make sense.

Nate40 wrote: Thanks Fillet,

Wow thanks bro. I really appreciate you taking me through the steps without being condoscending. Thank you.

So my "letro" for the testosterone is Femara, which I only use if needed? When do i take it from your experience? Only with nipple pain or at the first sign of sensitivity? Because the little sensitivity I had yesterday is gone today.
Is Arimidex just another type of letro which can be used for testosterone side effects?

So the Deca is a 19 Nors, and I have to purchase "Cabergoline" which is a dopamine agonist - and use it everyday to counteract prolactin? Quantity recommended when looking at my cycle?
What are the most common side effects of not using the Caber from your experience? Because to be honest I have had no signs of sexual dysfunction. In fact it has been better then ever down there.

Is the Capergoline used in addition to the Ana-V oxandrolone and the Proviron I am already taking?

BF?

Thanks Fillet. You rule bro.
Nate

I have never had Gyno or Gyno symptoms Nate but did make sure i fully understood them before cycling steroids. Typically you would watch out for sore/puffy/itchy/lumps or anything out of the ordinary and at that point do not play with your nips.

Yes arimidex is another letro so to speak, does the same thing so its either or.

Caber can be taken 2x0.25mg per week or 0.5mg every 5 days. You must get onto the caber right away and in my opinion as i have done before is use it 4 to 6 weeks past your last deca shot. Once prolactin gets in there you are screwed. Things like deca dick etc.

Caber is fine to use with your var and proviron it wont have any reaction.

BF means body fat bud.

i dont even want to know what the side effects are of using 19 nors without caber, i dont think i know anyone who would touch tren or deca without caber.

Ok. 14.5% makes sense. I hope you're really chowing clean and have upped your calorie intake by at least 500kCal.

See the diet stickies to fine tune your eating for max benefits.

Have you stopped the Anavar? Leave that for later. You start it to ensure the eight weeks of it covers your bridging period - that is the time between your last Deca Shot and PCT. In that period you can cut fat for the ripped look and retain a lot of the gains. As a runner your metabolism should be fast as well.

Does your doc know you're on AAS?