Fatigue and depression

HI Guys


Any advice would be appreciated I am in week 3 of Cycle
Tbol 60mg ed
Deca 900mg per week last week of front load
Proviron 25mg ed
Testoviron 250mg per week

Have hit a brick wall and am constantly tired and feeling depressed.

My training has suffered the last week and seem to lack the motivation and desire to hit the gym.

Could any of the above mentioned compounds be contributing to this

Weight went up in 2nd week from 81,5 kgs to 85 kg's body fat increase by 1 %

Weighed myself this morning and dropped back to 82kgs

Have one more pin of the Deca fronload left for this week Wednesday.

Thereafter its 450mg per week for another 12 weeks

In week 7 I will be adding 60mg Anavar ed and 150mg Masteron 3 x per week.

Any help would be appreciated.

What's your cabaser dose at?

0.5 e5d

Any chance you picked up a bug from someone at the office?

Tmuscle wrote: 0.5 e5d

And your estrogen maintainer? what's your dose of what chemical?

Not sure about any bug and no estrogen maintainer test is low at only 250mg per week had bloods done before cycle estradiol was at 80 and free test at 1314 all other values ie rbc and liver enzymes were within normal ranges only kidney values creatinine and urea were a bit on the high side but doc said nothing to stress about blood pressure was spot on

Tmuscle wrote: Not sure about any bug and no estrogen maintainer test is low at only 250mg per week had bloods done before cycle estradiol was at 80 and free test at 1314 all other values ie rbc and liver enzymes were within normal ranges only kidney values creatinine and urea were a bit on the high side but doc said nothing to stress about blood pressure was spot on

I might be very wrong, so wait for one of the more knowledgeable members to comment as well before taking my word for it.

However since your kidneys and livers weren't as healthy, is it not possible that taking orals is putting strain on them and therefore your body is not able to remove as much toxins from your body as it should and therefore you are feeling the way you are?

A cycle support - or liver and/or kidney support might help in this regard.

Tmuscle wrote: had bloods done before cycle estradiol was at 80 and free test at 1314

Your bloods were good BEFORE your cycle. There is no way that your estrogen, estradiol or test levels are where they should be.

Your sides are a sign of your body's imbalance with hormones.

Thanks Oupa

Any suggestions on what to do-
Don't want to abandon the cycle but if must be I will.
Will revert to TRT dose of Test if necessary.

Had an ok session this morning and energy levels are better today.

Before we change or add to the cycle, is your diet good and are you getting enough carbs & calories?

Diet is clean
Lots of chicken breasts
Brown Rice
Lean beef
Oats
Sweet potatoe
Whey protein

Plus Minus 3500 calories per day
Split into 5 meals per day
Am also following FST-7 training protocol as advised by Pyro in November last year.

I have a cheat meal once per week-anything I want (pizza /burger and fries etc)

I use pre workout at the moment ON gold
Intra Bcaa Plus vitargo or waxy maize.

Also take liver support /slow mag /vit c and multivitamin daily

My post workout shake is the most calories per meal per day at about 650Kcal

Looks solid.

What I would do before I start playing with other chemicals

1. Drop the deca dose to normal (450mg)
2. Increase Proviron to 50mg ED

- check sides after a week, if still shit add the following.

3. Add 20mg aromasin E3D or get LP Adex and use 5 drops EOD
2. Increase cabaser to E3D

Thanks Oupa

Will give it a bash

Deca is renowned for making one feel down in the dumps. It's like it takes that gratification feeling away. Animal studies have indicated that nandrolone reduces dopamine receptor concentration in the brain. Dopamine is your 'happy juice' so it all makes sense. I notice it even from 300mg odd per week.

Cabaser, being a dopamine agonist helps to reverse the problem but you need a lot to be effective when you're on 900mg/week. Good suggestion by Oupa. I would suggest 0.5mg cabaser twice a week at 450mg deca though.

Seems like the Deca is the problem did a pin today and feel fatigued and depressed all over again after yesterday was a better day.

Thinking about dropping the deca and running equi again.

Advise please guys.

Although the deca 3 week front load is now over should I stick it out and see if things improve when im onto only 450mg deca per week.