PGW Test E

Hey guys

Currently 6 weeks in a test only cycle. Went from 150mg a week PGW test C TRT to 400mg a week test E from PGW. Taking 114mg EOD injecting shoulders and upper legs. I know test E hurts but I had 3 shots where my leg and shoulders swole up so bad it looked like a liter of synthol was injected and the pain was unbearable. I switched to test C and same dose but I can feel a huge difference. When I’m test E I feel amazing, super energy and recovery just amazing but when going back to test C I feel normal again. Personally for me I think I like the effects of test E but the swelling and pain is killing me.

Any tips on how to fix this or should I maybe try a different brand of Test E? I even tried warming the oil in the insulin syringe before injecting them getting into a hot shower and rubbing the shit out if it and no luck.

Any advice would be great. Thanks guys

Hi

Any specific reason why you doing EOD Shots as opposed to once or twice a week ?
I don't see the point in taking Enanthate EOD

I do my TRT at EOD to keep stable levels and very comfortable doing so, so decided to do the same on cycle with this one.

I cannot even imagine how much more it would hurt taking a bigger dose of test E twice a week

The EOD injections are perfect, that's by far the best way if you don't mind the frequent injections. I notice skin issues as soon as I switch to less frequent injections, even bi weekly injections makes a substantial difference to me.

The PGW Test E is known for causing injection pain in some, but usually not for the small injections you are taking. Most reports of painful injections I get is when people inject in delts and quads. It's less of a problem when injecting in the glutes. Where in the legs do you inject exactly?

What I find most interesting is that you notice a difference between Test E and Test C, I only use Test C and like it allot. Can you elaborate on the differences you notice?

I inject into the outer quads. Pain is unbearable.

On test E I literally feel like superman, non stop energy and positive all day. Wake up and I’m wide awake. Complete opposite on test C. It is very strange but this is the second time it’s happening. I used E for TRT for a while and it was great for 3 months, went to C and felt lazy and tired again so for some reason I react great to E but the inflammation and pain is horrible no matter what I do. And I really don’t want to stop using E

prohunt wrote: I inject into the outer quads. Pain is unbearable.

There you go, try glutes and report back.

prohunt wrote: On test E I literally feel like superman, non stop energy and positive all day. Wake up and I’m wide awake. Complete opposite on test C. It is very strange but this is the second time it’s happening. I used E for TRT for a while and it was great for 3 months, went to C and felt lazy and tired again so for some reason I react great to E but the inflammation and pain is horrible no matter what I do. And I really don’t want to stop using E

Interesting. For how long have you tried Test C? Long enough for it to start working?

Wonder if it might be an allergy to the Cyp ester... many of the issues people have with Prop is from the actual ester attached to the Test molecule.

Try SubQ with insulin pin
I used to do delts but the scar tissue build up using a harpoon eventually became a problem.

The only issue using the insulin pin is the drawing time. Backloading seems a waste so I draw and pin with the same needle, no pain, no issues.

admin wrote:

prohunt wrote: I inject into the outer quads. Pain is unbearable.

There you go, try glutes and report back.

prohunt wrote: On test E I literally feel like superman, non stop energy and positive all day. Wake up and I’m wide awake. Complete opposite on test C. It is very strange but this is the second time it’s happening. I used E for TRT for a while and it was great for 3 months, went to C and felt lazy and tired again so for some reason I react great to E but the inflammation and pain is horrible no matter what I do. And I really don’t want to stop using E

Interesting. For how long have you tried Test C? Long enough for it to start working?

Wonder if it might be an allergy to the Cyp ester... many of the issues people have with Prop is from the actual ester attached to the Test molecule.

I ran a full cycle Cyp before at 350mg a week. This time I did the test E for 3 weeks and changed to Cyp now for 3 weeks and can feel a difference with same dosage. Also when I tried test E for TRT for 3 months coming from C at same dose I could feel a difference. Then getting off E and switching to C I felt a drop again. But funny thing is that on C my testosterone levels are only a little lower than on E so I know both are working but E makes me feel overall better

I have had a few painful injections, but nothing like what you had prohunt. Test E does make me feel overall better, but i use test C as for same reason i have much less aggression and irritability on C than E

Oupa wrote: I have had a few painful injections, but nothing like what you had prohunt. Test E does make me feel overall better, but i use test C as for same reason i have much less aggression and irritability on C than E

Oupa thanks

Ja it’s strange, I love the feeling of E so I started last night mixing half my dose of E and the other half C to finish the cycle and see how these shots feel. So far a tiny little pip but tomorrow is shoulder shot and will see how that goes

Do you inject IM with the insulin syringe? Needle is a bit short wouldn't it be SubQ?
I usually opt for 24G at 1 inch in quads. Delts I go for 25G 1/8 even if its EOD.

PraetorXII wrote: Do you inject IM with the insulin syringe? Needle is a bit short wouldn't it be SubQ?
I usually opt for 24G at 1 inch in quads. Delts I go for 25G 1/8 even if its EOD.

You could do IM with insulin pins but you need to really push it in (the delts work well for this)
But I use insulin for subq

No idea how you pin EoD in the delts with a harpoon

Just rotate it, delts ,quads ,glutes. Even ventro glute if you know where to aim.
But pinning Test E SubQ with insulin needle will give you a small lump and its gonna hurt at any amount.

But OP is doing TRT so I cant really help much. I mix my shots usaully with BCom and B12 weekly to take off the edge.

I've seen this exact complaint about PGW Testen a million times since 2007 and I've experienced it myself. Injecting in the glutes is usually the fix.

admin wrote: I've seen this exact complaint about PGW Testen a million times since 2007 and I've experienced it myself. Injecting in the glutes is usually the fix.

100 percent.

Been on TRT for several years now, PGW Test Enanthate and Anastrozole are the mainstay of my TRT. Using 23 Gauge, 1.5-inch needles, into upper outer glutes. Had some pain for the first few months, but now, no pain. I warm the loaded syringe in the steam from a kettle, take it slow.

PraetorXII wrote: Just rotate it, delts ,quads ,glutes. Even ventro glute if you know where to aim.
But pinning Test E SubQ with insulin needle will give you a small lump and its gonna hurt at any amount.

But OP is doing TRT so I cant really help much. I mix my shots usaully with BCom and B12 weekly to take off the edge.

It never hurts for my on SubQ.
IM with larger amounts very occasionally hurts, but maybe I am just lucky.
I also dont really get much lumping, could just be super lucky.