Blood results

Hi Chaps

I have been feeling like shit for over a year now with anxiety, depression, no libido and no motivation for anything. I decided to go for a general blood test with FBC, thyroid and my total testosterone.

Everything was fine except my total test is at 4.1 and my last test i did which was two years ago it was at 17 and that is without taking any test for a good 3 years now. I would like to know how low 4.1 is and what other tests should i do because i have just been prescribed 250mg Sustanon every 3 weeks for 6 month's and i don't think i must leave it at that or should i for now. I didn't test free test but he was shocked at my level of 4.1 and sort of left it at that. I feel i need more answers with perhaps some ancillaries.

Cheers Dave
Sorry i am 42 years old, don't drink or smoke.

Squid wrote: Hi Chaps

I have been feeling like shit for over a year now with anxiety, depression, no libido and no motivation for anything. I decided to go for a general blood test with FBC, thyroid and my total testosterone.

Everything was fine except my total test is at 4.1 and my last test i did which was two years ago it was at 17 and that is without taking any test for a good 3 years now. I would like to know how low 4.1 is and what other tests should i do because i have just been prescribed 250mg Sustanon every 3 weeks for 6 month's and i don't think i must leave it at that or should i for now. I didn't test free test but he was shocked at my level of 4.1 and sort of left it at that. I feel i need more answers with perhaps some ancillaries.

Cheers Dave
Sorry i am 42 years old, don't drink or smoke.

LH and FSH levels would be nice to see.
If they're high you are likely suffering primary hypogonadism - in which case TRT is the solution.

Sustanon every 3 weeks is....odd at best.
Try shoot for weekly.
I know it is an ampoule which makes it annoying, maybe every 2 weeks would be best until cypionate is back in the country.

Ask doc for Depo-Test (cypionate ester).
No clue if compounding pharmacies can make oils - I would be interested in the answer.

Thanks for the reply, they never tested for that because my doc never requested it but he diagnosed me with hypogonadism from Total test being 4.1. Unfortunately there is no Dep-testosterone so have to deal with aspen 250mg ml sustanon which is also ridiculously expensive. Is that regiment from the doctor not ideal and what other tests should be done, i can't handle mediocre Drs that just write out a script and see you in 6 months, yes it was a GP that " specialises " in hormone replacement but i can't accept this.

I have tried to do some research but can't get anything definitive so any suggestions to further proceed to get concrete answers will be greatly appreciated

The link below should cover most of your questions:

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/2-anabo...ds/127660-trt-basics

Cheers for the reply but i am going to stick with it for now while get more bloods done. There is absolutely more to it than low test take 1ml every three weeks and check you in 6 months. I don't accept that because he hasn't looked or asked for any other markers to be tested to get a complete diagnosis of what's going on. Have had to many mates dying from cancer recently so one needs to be vigilant because getting meds from one total test marker being low is not on. Maybe I'm taking things to seriously.

Thanks for the help much appreciated

Squid wrote: Cheers for the reply but i am going to stick with it for now while get more bloods done. There is absolutely more to it than low test take 1ml every three weeks and check you in 6 months. I don't accept that because he hasn't looked or asked for any other markers to be tested to get a complete diagnosis of what's going on. Have had to many mates dying from cancer recently so one needs to be vigilant because getting meds from one total test marker being low is not on. Maybe I'm taking things to seriously.

Thanks for the help much appreciated

No you aren't taking anything too seriously, don't worry.
Sustanon is not ideal, but as far as I can tell, there is no Depo-Test at the moment readily available, so it is better than nothing.

Low T levels are a problem cardiovascularly, metabolically etc.
So replacing these levels should only benefit you.

But yes, some further testing sounds like a good idea.
You are likely primary hypogonadal based on your age, but only blood work can confirm this.

EDIT: If I were a doc I would want bloodwork a hell of a lot sooner than 6 months.
We cannot know what your systemic levels will be on that dose.
It could be way too much, it could be insufficient.
Estrogen would also need to be controlled as well as hematocrit and haemoglobin.

Definitely taking this further with proper endo or urologist. Sick of Dr's that are like checkers tellers, 5 minutes, script and vaai and 800 bucks later. Next patient please

Squid wrote: Definitely taking this further with proper endo or urologist. Sick of Dr's that are like checkers tellers, 5 minutes, script and vaai and 800 bucks later. Next patient please

If it makes you feel any better, most endos are fucking useless too :lol:
Your GP did a decent job to give you the script imo

Squid wrote: Sick of Dr's that are like checkers tellers, 5 minutes, script and vaai and 800 bucks later. Next patient please

I was discussing Dr's with someone the other day and he said this and his father is a medical doctor: "Your car mechanic wears a blue lab coat, your doctor a white one, so always be willing to go for a second opinion"

I am definitely not purchasing from the pharmacy anymore because paying 290 bucks for aspen 1ml is suicidal. Can i post that price on here it's not ugl pricing from a mate just really pissed off about the cost of stuff from the pharmacies when you can get same quality and cheaper from my easter bunny. Delete if out of line. Sorry.

Unfortunately you might end up needing a 7 opinion in my area.

My point exactly.

depo test is pretty widely available from many UG labs.
I would imagine it would be readily available from legit sources as well

As of late PGW depo test has been pretty stable with its dose / blood results, I still have countless vials of Pfizer but have no need to use it do to consistency with PGW.

00pump wrote: As of late PGW depo test has been pretty stable with its dose / blood results, I still have countless vials of Pfizer but have no need to use it do to consistency with PGW.

Pump what dose of PGW cyp are you using and what was your TT and FT?

Muscleaddict wrote:

00pump wrote: As of late PGW depo test has been pretty stable with its dose / blood results, I still have countless vials of Pfizer but have no need to use it do to consistency with PGW.

Pump what dose of PGW cyp are you using and what was your TT and FT?

I'm using 0.7ml every 5 days (I need quite a bit more than the average person due to my body simply not caring what the half life says on paper) and with Pfizer I was using 200mg every 5 days.

Very similar bloods, TT 24/25 nmol/L and FT 710 to 750 pmol/L..

00pump wrote:

Muscleaddict wrote:

00pump wrote: As of late PGW depo test has been pretty stable with its dose / blood results, I still have countless vials of Pfizer but have no need to use it do to consistency with PGW.

Pump what dose of PGW cyp are you using and what was your TT and FT?

I'm using 0.7ml every 5 days (I need quite a bit more than the average person due to my body simply not caring what the half life says on paper) and with Pfizer I was using 200mg every 5 days.

Very similar bloods, TT 24/25 nmol/L and FT 710 to 750 pmol/L..

If you don't mind me asking, any different response to Test E i.t.o. frequency/dose needed and estrogen sides?

MPhilosopher wrote:

00pump wrote:

Muscleaddict wrote:

00pump wrote: As of late PGW depo test has been pretty stable with its dose / blood results, I still have countless vials of Pfizer but have no need to use it do to consistency with PGW.

Pump what dose of PGW cyp are you using and what was your TT and FT?

I'm using 0.7ml every 5 days (I need quite a bit more than the average person due to my body simply not caring what the half life says on paper) and with Pfizer I was using 200mg every 5 days.

Very similar bloods, TT 24/25 nmol/L and FT 710 to 750 pmol/L..

If you don't mind me asking, any different response to Test E i.t.o. frequency/dose needed and estrogen sides?

I have a bit of blood work on Test E from many years ago but its pretty useless for this. I don't have a proper comparison whatsoever, so I could only guess it's pretty close, but I could be wrong. Maybe someone else on here knows better.

Your testosterone level equal Andropause - Same as Menopause but for males. the Seven dwarfs - Itchy bitchy Bloaty etc - all of them could bother you. The Sustanon jabs will increase your testosterone levels pending your BMI. You are bound to have highs and lows and it could take quite a while before your levels stabilize

Primary hypogonadism would be found with young adults. The fact that the testosterone was higher previously and are low now is rather a production failure where hypogonadism is a system failure

Wow - bad experience

Avonia wrote: The Sustanon jabs will increase your testosterone levels pending your BMI.

What's BMI got to do with it?

Studies have shone this clear relationship between body fat and testosterone. Body fat = more estrogen, which = less testosterone. In fact, a study of 1,822 men by the New England Research Institutes (NERI) confirmed that a man's waist circumference is the single strongest predictor of low testosterone levels.

Reduce the body fat and you end up with dumping of Estrogen in the circulation

thestrongkitchen.com/blog/post/testoster...hat-you-need-to-know

but that has zero to do with BMI. BMI is as useful as a hug in a brothel.

i went to get my life policy done and they loaded my premium because of BMI, i was 4 weeks post-show, at 94kgs and pretty lean, but came back as overweight on the high spectrum, so BMI is useless.