Carrier Oils and Solvents

Hi Guys,

In doing my research, I've come across sources stating that there are many inflammatory brands solvents and carrier oils in the industry. I understand that if you're not getting pharma grade product you're more likely to get things like propylene glycol and ethyl oleate in carrier oils. Beggars can't be choosers and when purchasing UGL products I guess we have to be content with the carrier compounds being what they are.
I'd like to ask though, are there any specific UGL brands that have decent carrier oils devoid of ethyl oleate and other solvents? Are there at least brands close to being pharma grade from that perspective. 

Im planning on  using UPA soon, with perhaps Keifei in the future, not sure what their carrier compounds are, if you know id appreciate some insight into that. 

On a side note, have you guys ever had some bad systemic and local inflammation with bad test flu due to solvents or carrier oils?

Bardu wrote:

I'd like to ask though, are there any specific UGL brands that have decent carrier oils devoid of ethyl oleate and other solvents? Are there at least brands close to being pharma grade from that perspective.

Yes, there are brands that use vegetable oils such as grape seed, cottonseed or peanut oil. These seed oils can be responsible for allergies as well though.

Bardu wrote:

Im planning on  using UPA soon, with perhaps Keifei in the future, not sure what their carrier compounds are, if you know id appreciate some insight into that.

Last I heard UPA were using ethyl oleate.

Bardu wrote:

On a side note, have you guys ever had some bad systemic and local inflammation with bad test flu due to solvents or carrier oils?

Yes, allergic reactions from the carrier oil, solvents or even the compound itself are not that uncommon.

Damn! I hear guys are swearing by UPA though, so maybe they're using very little of the ethyl oleate? If so, the post injection pain and spike in C Reactive Protein isn't considerable enough to warrant any worry?

Would anyone be able to list a few of the brands we get in SA and the carrier oils they use. I hope I'm not coming across as being too pedantic or pushy, it's just that if it's as serious as I'm led to believe then surely this would be spoken about a whole lot more?
Maybe like a list of the top 5 or top 10 brands that use specifically Cottonseed, Sesame seed, Grapeseed and more organic oils like MCT oil (since apparently its a great organic solvent), not peanut oil (that's apparently super inflammatory) and the synthetic, inflammatory solvents.

I honestly think you are majoring in the minors worrying about something that hasnt happened.

You are overthinking it without any reference. Youve done all this research on something that potential wont be an issue. To this day of using upa, im yet to have any post injection pain UNLESS ive fucked up a jab which is more about a bad injection vs bad product. Ive yet to hear any of my clients using upa having injection pain, and even a scan through the forum, also the same issue.

C reactive protein will go up due to inflammation of any kind, not really based on 0.3-0.4ml of ethyl oleate

Thanks for the reply and patience Empire. I'm sure you guys are pretty sick of hearing these types of questions all the time. I'm a little OCD when it comes to a bunch of things, so that reassurance with the majoring in minors helped a ton. Been watching a bunch of Vigorous Steve (what are your opinions on his stance?) so I think perhaps I've been overthinking his guidelines.

Hes got some good information for sure.

But you are getting analysis paralaysis.

I am also on the hunt for this information... 
Basically which brands of Test C and Test E use which oils.... 
A good start would be to find out which oils the pharma stuff use,  Pfizer depo, Bayer testoviron, Aspen sustanon.. 

Last resort...the respected UGL brands that have been around for some time. 

From page 52 and 53 of  TRT101 by dave lee 
"In my experimentation over the years, I have found the carrier oil is the determining factor for whether a testosterone formulation will work subcutaneously for most people.  The oils that seem to work best are sesame, grape-seed and mygliol (pharmaceutical grade mct). The study used sesame oil. Oils that do not work for the majority of people are cotton seed, castor oil and peanut oil." 

Ps if you know of a doc In sandton/jhb who really knows his shit with regards to male hormones optimization/trt+...please do drop me an inbox with the recommendation, I woukd really appreciate it!

Found this so far
Bayer testoviron Castor oil
PfizerDepotrone cottonseed
Aspen sustanon 250 Arachis oil.

Not sure of solvent/preservative contents.

I know the underground lab Keifei is also in Arachis oil.

So the carrier oil for two products I recently obtained really surprised me,

First was Bayer Testoviron amps from Pakistan.
Are the days of these being faked over? I had read how the faking for these had stopped as the cost to manufacture Test E at scale had become so incredibly cheap that faking was pretty pointless?

I had read that the castor oil was meant to be incredibly thick and very slow and difficult to draw/inject with fine needles and that the amps are meant to be filled to 1.2ml. What I have found with these amps is that firstly, the oil is actually noticeably thinner the Grapeseed oil gear I have (Pharma Compounded and UGL) and secondly, There is not 1,2ml in an amp, there is barely 1ml..

Then I recently grabbed a vial of HD deca 300 and man is this stuff crazy thin/watery....the stuff will absolutely jet into the syringe even drawing with a 26g needle!! Comparatively, the GSO Pharma Test and UPA Primo draws up way slower even when using a 23g...What carrier oil is this likely to be?