First cycle as 34y old and other related questions

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26 Mar 2026 08:32 #230738 by johnnyquid
Hey guys,12 weeks into my first cycle and wanted to share my experience and bloodwork to get some input from guys who've been around + Primo 600mg for first 9 weeks, then switched to a different brand of Primo and raised Test to 600mg. Three pins per week, Test at 250mg/ml, Primo at 125mg/— I was relying on the Primo to manage E2 which looking back was a mistake regardless of whether the Primo was real or not, especially as a heavy 's my bloodwork:pre-cycle: TT 18.8 nmol/L | SHBG 36.7 | Free T 375 pmol/L | E2 68 pg/mLweek 6 450mg Test + 600mg first brand Primo: TT 107.2 nmol/L | SHBG 30.4 | Free T 3574 pmol/L | E2 375 pg/mLweek 11, 600mg Test + 600mg new brand Primo: TT 119.5 nmol/L | SHBG 32.4 | Free T 4008 pmol/L | E2 258 pg/mLNow running Anavar 40mg daily alongside for the last push, E2 being managed with + 600mg Primo came back at 107.2 — which is within the expected range for 450mg Test alone. If Primo were fake testosterone TT would have spiked much higher. E2 hitting 375 with 600mg claimed Primo running suggests zero anti-estrogenic benefit from the compound. No vascularity improvement, no dryness, no hardness, no strength gains beyond what Test alone would explain. Basically everything you'd expect from Test-only, nothing you'd expect from 600mg — actually lower than I'd expect for the Test increase alone. Zero PIP which is unusual for legitimate Primo at 125mg/ml. Mild hardness improvement but hard to separate from Test. Getting DHT tested on April 1 alongside a full panel to figure out whether it's real Primo, Masteron substitution or something else.

Does anyone can suggest any real primo primo brands which is leggit today in SA market?

Also, where do you do your bloodworks, im using now Lancet, but was wondering, maybe there is a better lab?

Made a lot mistakes in my first cycle, havent managed the E2 properly, was relying on sellers words about primo (he was saying he is using himself and bloodworks is matching it), but this is the admission fee as first time. 

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31 Mar 2026 15:00 #230747 by Empire
Primo will generally control estrogen IF TESTOSTERONE IS WITHIN A DECENT RANGE. Your test dosing is quite high, you havent given us much indication as to body weight and body fat which is where a big issue may be.

What are your liver function numbers? Ggt? Billirubin? Ast lst?
The liver is a detox pathway for estrogen, if its under strain, then e2 will be higher.

If you are not passing a stool daily estrogen will be higher as the gut is another detox path way.

If you are drinking alchohol estrogen will be higher as it causes more aramotase enzyme.

If you are over 14% bf estrogen will be much higher.

If you are doing less frequent injections, estrogen will be a lot higher.

You are also taking a robust dose of testosterone which will make estrogen be much higher.

So many things at play here, you may just be someone who converts more test to estrogen because of all the above factors..

Primo will make an already lean physique more vascular, if your bf is too high its like moaning that you dont see vagina on a softcore porn video..

Lancet is perfect for blood work, its exactly the same lab I use for all my blood work consults.

Also Primo at the moment is a little shot in the dark, but 600mg of test is still probably going to be the issue no matter how much Primo you are using.

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Yesterday 13:22 #230749 by Muscleaddict
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week 6 450mg Test + 600mg first brand Primo: TT 107.2 nmol/L | SHBG 30.4 | Free T 3574 pmol/L | E2 375 pg/mLweek 11, 600mg Test + 600mg new brand Primo: TT 119.5 nmol/L | SHBG 32.4 | Free T 4008 pmol/L | E2 258 pg/mLNow running Anavar 40mg daily alongside for the last push, E2 being managed with + 600mg Primo came back at 107.2 — which is within the expected range for 450mg Test alone.
The TT is spot on for your Test dosage.  Primo is also often faked with EQ so the only way to know what's in your Primo is to test it. It might well be legit.

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Yesterday 13:45 #230750 by Empire
If he was using test and eq at 1:1 his e2 would be tanked.

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Yesterday 15:19 - Yesterday 15:26 #230751 by johnnyquid
thanks for answers guys,

My height is 187 and I weight now 92kg, started cycle on December 30 with weight of 88kg after aggressive cut. From November 2 till December I went from 96 to 88kg. 

so, yes, test was definitely too high (thats why I started on 450e/600p, which going lower was not making sense), and im more into the higher range of aromatisers.
Liver function was fine pre and mid cycle, nothing unusual from the norms. Stool is regular and body fat was around 16-18% when I started, now im around 14% maybe (navel fat doesnt go easily no matter, what, used yohimbine and morning cardio + majority of the cycle on kcal deficit), I would say when I started.
Alcohol I dont drink.
Shooting 3 times per week M/W/F, also added HCG 5000iu from week 6, 0.1 unit in insulin syringe 2 times per week Tuesday and Thursday.

What is your sweet spot of e2 when youre cycling?
on 300+ I felt bloated and nipples started to be itchy, then I panickly dropped to 120 which made feel not good mentally, I believe mine one is around 160-200, can it be like that?
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Yesterday 15:23 #230752 by Empire
Fine and optimal are 2 different things. Ive seen guys in range feeling like horse shit which means symptoms are more powerful than numbers. Exaclty how I tailor female hrt with my blood work clients.

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Today 12:37 - Today 12:39 #230754 by Muscleaddict
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What is your sweet spot of e2 when youre cycling?
on 300+ I felt bloated and nipples started to be itchy, then I panickly dropped to 120 which made feel not good mentally, I believe mine one is around 160-200, can it be like that?T
There isn't really a sweet spot number for E2 if you're basing a sweet spot on feeling of overall wellbeing on cycle.

As long as side effects are under control, on reasonable doses of T your ratio of testosterone to estradiol is generally more important than E2 levels alone,

For optimal longevity the ideal range is lower than E2 levels on any "sports TRT" or low dose cycle. 160-200 is ok for a cycle now and then, but could is not good long term.
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