Steroid selection

Hi

Just wanting a comparison of peoples experience and any possible alternatives.

Recently used Tren-Ace for 8 weeks and had the following outcomes

PROS

- Excellent strength
- Nice growth of solid muscle despite being on a low cal diet
- No tren cough for me
- No pain from the injections
- I absolutely love this stuff!!!!!

CONS

- Initial blood pressure spike (settled by the end of week one)
- Cholesterol died (no HDL to speak of and LDL shot up outside normal range despite everything being normal before)
- No stamina making my cardio results terrible (as expected)

LONG(ER) TERM SIDES

- Test is taking a long time to rebound (5 months now - I'm back in the normal range at 8.6, but nowhere near my before reading of 20.6)
- Cholesterol is improving all the time but is still not normal (1.3 HDL, 3.2 LDL, Trigs v. bad still)
- Minor liver markers (Albumin and Bilirubin Unconjugated slightly outside the normal range - not to worried about these)

DIET

Was fairly good - bit high in red meat and salt (love biltong) so would have an effect on the cholesterol reading. Everything else was standard fair - 6 meals, oat brekkie, no sugars, lots of water, lots of protein sources (not just the biltong ), 5+ types of veggies etc. etc.

PCT

- Used HCG (Ovidrel) post course. Plan to use this during the course next time to hopefully speed recovery?
- Clomid
- Didnt use tamoxifen this time

MY QUESTIONS

1. When using Tren have others found their Test recovery to be similarly slow? If not, what other steroids were you using in combination
2. Has anyone found a particular diet, PCT or steroid combination (with Tren in it) that seemed to specifically limit the negative sides I've listed above? For example I know Anavar lowers Cholesterol in general - could this perhaps help recovery when used in combination? Perhaps using Tamoxifen is specifically useful in PCT?
3. Any other suggestions??? I'm happy that I can correct the Cholesterol issue easily enough (certainly post the course) but would like some specific ideas to possibly use during the course. Additionally, I would like (speedy) recovery suggestions re the Test side of things.

The questions above specifically deal with Tren (similar results with Deca - no surprises there then). I would love to use this steroid again but at the moment, due to the recovery delay and negative health effects, I'm not very keen. My recovery - for example - off a Test/Dbol/Bold course was two months (the course was 3 months long). Other peoples Tren recovery experiences would be paricularly helpful...

I assume you used it alone? If so, why did you not supplement with test? This is one reason why your recovery is taking so long. Another is PCT dosages. HCG should have been used as maintenance during cycle, you would have bounced back quicker and am pretty sure your PCT doses and duration was not correct. Fertomid as well, doses seem very low on assumption. Letrozole or better Aromasin would have been an excellent inclusion in your PCT as well. Tamoxifen is a no no, rather look at the above suggestions.

I also hope you have had your kidney function tested as 8 weeks is rough. Cholesterol, well look at natural meds and there is a scheduled med, name eludes me now, that you can take. Using gear to control cholesterol is not wise as that gear comes with it's own sides again. Diet is also key here.

If you follow this, the sides will be less, but still there unfortunately.

Hi Netro

Thanks for the response.

Netro wrote:

I assume you used it alone? If so, why did you not supplement with test?

I had never used Tren before and wanted to have a clear understanding of the effects it had in isolation - without the masking from other steroids. I am aware the standard protocol is to use Test supplementation with Tren. I always use a new steroid by itself to get a picture of what it does to me.

HCG should have been used as maintenance during cycle, you would have bounced back quicker and am pretty sure your PCT doses and duration was not correct.

PCT cycle I used was:

HCG for three weeks using 500iu per day (converted: Ovidrel having an efficacy of 6000iu = 10000iu of Pregnyl)
Clomid at 300mg for day 1, 100mg for days 2-11, 50mg for days 12-21

Letrozole or better Aromasin would have been an excellent inclusion in your PCT as well. Tamoxifen is a no no, rather look at the above suggestions.

I realise Letrozole causes an actual increase in LH, FSH and SHBG (as opposed to Clomid which does not) but decided to avoid it based on its strong anti-e action (same with Arimidex and Aromasin). Went with Clomid as it didnt actually hamper your natural oestrogen production and seeing as Tren doesnt offer any significant aromatase effect, considered this the safer alternative. Have you found the inclusion of these compounds after a tren cycle to be that beneficial? If so what did you use for oestrogen replacement or have you only used this with a corresponding Test cycle resulting in anticipated elevated oestrogen in the post cycle period?

Cholesterol, well look at natural meds and there is a scheduled med, name eludes me now, that you can take. Using gear to control cholesterol is not wise as that gear comes with it's own sides again. Diet is also key here.

If you follow this, the sides will be less, but still there unfortunately.

What is your recovery time following a Tren cycle (specifically referring to your natural test levels)? I have had similar delayed recovery using Deca which is why I'm suggesting I may specifically be susceptible to slow recovery on 19-nor compounds. My cholesterol levels also suffer heavily when using Winny.

I suppose I trying to find either a combination of compounds that will allow me to use Tren again or a PCT that allows for a speedy(-ier) recovery as I enjoyed it that much.

Try though in some DHEA into your PCT, high dose like 50-100mg per day. I find that always help me bounce back faster.

Fresh wrote:

Try though in some DHEA into your PCT, high dose like 50-100mg per day. I find that always help me bounce back faster.

Will look into it thanks.