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03 Jul 2008 10:29 #4704 by mazzal
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Hi Guyz

Im about 6 weeks into a Tren and Test. cycle, and I noticed that my hands look very puffy and swollen (its just my hands)!

Has anyone else experienced this, or know whether this is a symptom of a bigger problem?

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03 Jul 2008 10:51 #4705 by Oupiel
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I'm week 3 of a Test En + Eq + Var cycle.

I've noticed my wedding ring and watch strap are tighter. I just assumed it's water retention.

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03 Jul 2008 11:49 #4711 by admin
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Ok, it might just be water retention, but considering that you are using Trenbolone as well... I'm fearing that you might see the first signs of kidney problems. Failing kidneys don't remove extra fluid, which builds up in your body causing swelling in the legs, ankles, feet, face, and/or hands.

Are you consuming enough water per day? Try to drink about 5L per day and see if you notice any other changes.

If you are really concerned, let your doctor do a blood test...

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03 Jul 2008 13:14 #4714 by Oupiel
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Speaking of drinking enough water, how the hell do you get that right?

Between eating every 2.5 hours and drinking 500ml shakes, that amount of water will have the lot floating out my nose!!!

Do the shake count towards your fluid intake?

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03 Jul 2008 15:16 #4717 by acidkidsa
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would not count you shakes in as fluid intake.

I would count clean water without anything mixed as you "clean" fluid intake....

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03 Jul 2008 15:19 #4719 by mazzal
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Geez I'll second that!

Just to clarify, my cycle = 6 weeks Test, only on my 2nd week of Tren. Strange thing is that my hands look fine today..??

And while we're on the subject of possible side-effects - after Ive trained hard (and for about a day afterwards), my sweat smells STRONGLY of ammonia! Ive heard thats indicative of kidney issues. Has anyone else experienced this?

Thanks for the replies guys!

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03 Jul 2008 15:48 #4721 by admin
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mazzal wrote:

And while we're on the subject of possible side-effects - after Ive trained hard (and for about a day afterwards), my sweat smells STRONGLY of ammonia! Ive heard thats indicative of kidney issues.


Possibly, but I've only heard about Ammonia breath. Read below.

Symptom 5: Metallic Taste in Mouth/Ammonia Breath

A buildup of wastes in the blood (called uremia) can make food taste different and cause bad breath. You may also notice that you stop liking to eat meat, or that you are losing weight because you just don't feel like eating.

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03 Jul 2008 16:35 #4724 by jackrabbit1
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The amonia - in my case stop washing your gym clothes in staysoft or any other softener. Also i heard its because of a favourable Nitro level - but once again only from a forum so no solid proof there. Leaving the softener helped loads.
The puffy hands i get when i load the syringe a bit - too much test pushes my BP a bit. I found that i have to stay below 1.8 ml Test Prop EOD or i get puffy hands, swollen temples when i chew on hard stuff. Also stay away from the salt - that puses up the BP because of water retension.
Sometimes adding a teaspoon of "A Vogel Multiforce Alkaline Powder" helps with the swelling as well - but then i'm a old ballie with a touch of gout surfacing - who knows.

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03 Jul 2008 18:22 #4726 by Netro
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Bro,
Go and see a doc hey, there might be underlying issues that a GP can identify. Rather be safe than sorry bud.

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04 Jul 2008 09:36 #4736 by mazzal
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Thanks for the replies. I also reckon it may have something to do with the clothes story, cause its the sweater that smells like ammonia not actually me. But will go to the Doc soon just to make sure..

Does the Doc just check your urine for kidney test? And wot you reckon the tests cost?

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04 Jul 2008 09:43 #4737 by mazzal
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Im also thinking of dropping the tren a bit early because my gyno is getting worse. Im taking 1mg adex everyday which seems to be a sh*t load of adex. Even with LOW estrogen the progesteron seems to have paid me a visit.

Is it caber that guys use for this? If so, I havent seen it on any pricelists.. Do we get it here in SA?

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04 Jul 2008 13:05 #4740 by Netro
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Parlodel for progesterone. A-dex will not help you here. If it gets really bad you can get the very expensive Letrozole / Femara.

Admin can give you some insight here as he walks the same path you do.

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04 Jul 2008 14:13 #4745 by admin
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mazzal wrote:

Im also thinking of dropping the tren a bit early because my gyno is getting worse. Im taking 1mg adex everyday which seems to be a sh*t load of adex. Even with LOW estrogen the progesteron seems to have paid me a visit.

Is it caber that guys use for this? If so, I havent seen it on any pricelists.. Do we get it here in SA?


Bro, exactly what Netro said.

I have a huge problem with progesterone related gyno. I'm waiting for my Letro shipment to arrive so that I can combat my gyno with Letro and Parlodel.

I have used Cabaser before and it wasn't very effective at all, so I'm going to take the strongest compounds this time. You don't get Cabaser is SA, only Dostinex, but that will set you back somewhere in the R300 for 2x 0.5mg tabs and that will last you only two days.

Letro goes for anything between R950 to R2000 for 25-30x 2.5mg tabs...
Parlodel (Bromo) is R400 for 30x 2.5mg tabs in the pharmacy.

Before you blame progestorone, make sure that you lactate if you squeeze your nipples. If you do then you will have to use an anti-progesterone with an AI.

Remember progestorone alone can't be the cause for gyno... estrogen must be present as well, so an anti-e is also a requirement.

The cycle that I'm going to follow is like this:
1.25mg Letro per day for 60 days.
2.5mg Parlodel per day for the first month or until my lactation stops.

Just be warned: DO NOT USE KESSAR IF YOU HAVE PROGESTERONE RELATED GYNO!!!!

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04 Jul 2008 19:28 #4747 by jackrabbit1
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Admin,
Have you read tis thread?
forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880

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04 Jul 2008 20:39 #4748 by admin
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jackrabbit1 wrote:

Admin,
Have you read tis thread?
forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880


Yeah, I have... thanks anyway.

I'm going to follow the advice I got from Doctari and other members here that have successful treatment. Doctari recommended 0.5mg, but I'm going to live with the sides and use twice that...

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07 Jul 2008 10:54 #4798 by jackrabbit1
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I hope you inform PGW of your source - i'd love to get hold of some letro. Got some puffyness present but then i also have to drop a bit more lard to establish how serious it is.
Must say, its a lot less than what i expected.

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07 Jul 2008 12:33 #4806 by admin
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jackrabbit1 wrote:

I hope you inform PGW of your source - i'd love to get hold of some letro. Got some puffyness present but then i also have to drop a bit more lard to establish how serious it is.
Must say, its a lot less than what i expected.


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I'm so excited, got my Letroplex 15min ago and just ran the serial number on Axio's website and it is legit...

Check it out:
Serial: SOM490284369AMO
www.axiolabs.com/en/product-authenticity/check-by-batch-number/

Also got 168x Clomid 50mg tabs for R450

Will post pics later...

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07 Jul 2008 12:38 #4807 by Oupiel
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That's an awsome idea,the serial number thing.

PGW should look to do the same, serious peace of mind for the buyer.

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07 Jul 2008 13:04 #4808 by admin
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Oupiel wrote:

That's an awsome idea,the serial number thing.

PGW should look to do the same, serious peace of mind for the buyer.


Yeah it is, I will gladly code the software and host it for them if they are interested. The only problem then is that they will need to print/stamp a unique serial on every vial.

I have actually written a code generation algorithm along time ago when I was still at collage that then can use.
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FUNCTION CreateRegistrationKey(INTEXT AS STRING) AS STRING LOCAL i, KeyVal, A, B, C LOCAL AA$, BB$, CC$, DD$, KEY$ KEY$ = PRIVATE_KEY$ FOR i = 1 TO LEN(INTEXT$) KeyVal++ IF KeyVal > LEN(KEY$) THEN KeyVal = 1 AA$ = MID$(INTEXT$, i, 1) A = ASC(AA$) BB$ = MID$(KEY$, KeyVal, 1) B = ASC(BB$) C = A XOR B IF C > 255 THEN C = 255 CC$ = CHR$(C) DD$ = DD$ & CC$ NEXT i DD$ = TRIM$(STR$(ABS(GetCrc32((LPSTR)DD$, (INT)LEN(DD$))))) FUNCTION = DD$ END FUNCTION $CCODE int crc32_tab[] = { 0x00000000L, 0x77073096L, 0xee0e612cL, 0x990951baL, 0x076dc419L, 0x706af48fL, 0xe963a535L, 0x9e6495a3L, 0x0edb8832L, 0x79dcb8a4L, 0xe0d5e91eL, 0x97d2d988L, 0x09b64c2bL, 0x7eb17cbdL, 0xe7b82d07L, 0x90bf1d91L, 0x1db71064L, 0x6ab020f2L, 0xf3b97148L, 0x84be41deL, 0x1adad47dL, 0x6ddde4ebL, 0xf4d4b551L, 0x83d385c7L, 0x136c9856L, 0x646ba8c0L, 0xfd62f97aL, 0x8a65c9ecL, 0x14015c4fL, 0x63066cd9L, 0xfa0f3d63L, 0x8d080df5L, 0x3b6e20c8L, 0x4c69105eL, 0xd56041e4L, 0xa2677172L, 0x3c03e4d1L, 0x4b04d447L, 0xd20d85fdL, 0xa50ab56bL, 0x35b5a8faL, 0x42b2986cL, 0xdbbbc9d6L, 0xacbcf940L, 0x32d86ce3L, 0x45df5c75L, 0xdcd60dcfL, 0xabd13d59L, 0x26d930acL, 0x51de003aL, 0xc8d75180L, 0xbfd06116L, 0x21b4f4b5L, 0x56b3c423L, 0xcfba9599L, 0xb8bda50fL, 0x2802b89eL, 0x5f058808L, 0xc60cd9b2L, 0xb10be924L, 0x2f6f7c87L, 0x58684c11L, 0xc1611dabL, 0xb6662d3dL, 0x76dc4190L, 0x01db7106L, 0x98d220bcL, 0xefd5102aL, 0x71b18589L, 0x06b6b51fL, 0x9fbfe4a5L, 0xe8b8d433L, 0x7807c9a2L, 0x0f00f934L, 0x9609a88eL, 0xe10e9818L, 0x7f6a0dbbL, 0x086d3d2dL, 0x91646c97L, 0xe6635c01L, 0x6b6b51f4L, 0x1c6c6162L, 0x856530d8L, 0xf262004eL, 0x6c0695edL, 0x1b01a57bL, 0x8208f4c1L, 0xf50fc457L, 0x65b0d9c6L, 0x12b7e950L, 0x8bbeb8eaL, 0xfcb9887cL, 0x62dd1ddfL, 0x15da2d49L, 0x8cd37cf3L, 0xfbd44c65L, 0x4db26158L, 0x3ab551ceL, 0xa3bc0074L, 0xd4bb30e2L, 0x4adfa541L, 0x3dd895d7L, 0xa4d1c46dL, 0xd3d6f4fbL, 0x4369e96aL, 0x346ed9fcL, 0xad678846L, 0xda60b8d0L, 0x44042d73L, 0x33031de5L, 0xaa0a4c5fL, 0xdd0d7cc9L, 0x5005713cL, 0x270241aaL, 0xbe0b1010L, 0xc90c2086L, 0x5768b525L, 0x206f85b3L, 0xb966d409L, 0xce61e49fL, 0x5edef90eL, 0x29d9c998L, 0xb0d09822L, 0xc7d7a8b4L, 0x59b33d17L, 0x2eb40d81L, 0xb7bd5c3bL, 0xc0ba6cadL, 0xedb88320L, 0x9abfb3b6L, 0x03b6e20cL, 0x74b1d29aL, 0xead54739L, 0x9dd277afL, 0x04db2615L, 0x73dc1683L, 0xe3630b12L, 0x94643b84L, 0x0d6d6a3eL, 0x7a6a5aa8L, 0xe40ecf0bL, 0x9309ff9dL, 0x0a00ae27L, 0x7d079eb1L, 0xf00f9344L, 0x8708a3d2L, 0x1e01f268L, 0x6906c2feL, 0xf762575dL, 0x806567cbL, 0x196c3671L, 0x6e6b06e7L, 0xfed41b76L, 0x89d32be0L, 0x10da7a5aL, 0x67dd4accL, 0xf9b9df6fL, 0x8ebeeff9L, 0x17b7be43L, 0x60b08ed5L, 0xd6d6a3e8L, 0xa1d1937eL, 0x38d8c2c4L, 0x4fdff252L, 0xd1bb67f1L, 0xa6bc5767L, 0x3fb506ddL, 0x48b2364bL, 0xd80d2bdaL, 0xaf0a1b4cL, 0x36034af6L, 0x41047a60L, 0xdf60efc3L, 0xa867df55L, 0x316e8eefL, 0x4669be79L, 0xcb61b38cL, 0xbc66831aL, 0x256fd2a0L, 0x5268e236L, 0xcc0c7795L, 0xbb0b4703L, 0x220216b9L, 0x5505262fL, 0xc5ba3bbeL, 0xb2bd0b28L, 0x2bb45a92L, 0x5cb36a04L, 0xc2d7ffa7L, 0xb5d0cf31L, 0x2cd99e8bL, 0x5bdeae1dL, 0x9b64c2b0L, 0xec63f226L, 0x756aa39cL, 0x026d930aL, 0x9c0906a9L, 0xeb0e363fL, 0x72076785L, 0x05005713L, 0x95bf4a82L, 0xe2b87a14L, 0x7bb12baeL, 0x0cb61b38L, 0x92d28e9bL, 0xe5d5be0dL, 0x7cdcefb7L, 0x0bdbdf21L, 0x86d3d2d4L, 0xf1d4e242L, 0x68ddb3f8L, 0x1fda836eL, 0x81be16cdL, 0xf6b9265bL, 0x6fb077e1L, 0x18b74777L, 0x88085ae6L, 0xff0f6a70L, 0x66063bcaL, 0x11010b5cL, 0x8f659effL, 0xf862ae69L, 0x616bffd3L, 0x166ccf45L, 0xa00ae278L, 0xd70dd2eeL, 0x4e048354L, 0x3903b3c2L, 0xa7672661L, 0xd06016f7L, 0x4969474dL, 0x3e6e77dbL, 0xaed16a4aL, 0xd9d65adcL, 0x40df0b66L, 0x37d83bf0L, 0xa9bcae53L, 0xdebb9ec5L, 0x47b2cf7fL, 0x30b5ffe9L, 0xbdbdf21cL, 0xcabac28aL, 0x53b39330L, 0x24b4a3a6L, 0xbad03605L, 0xcdd70693L, 0x54de5729L, 0x23d967bfL, 0xb3667a2eL, 0xc4614ab8L, 0x5d681b02L, 0x2a6f2b94L, 0xb40bbe37L, 0xc30c8ea1L, 0x5a05df1bL, 0x2d02ef8dL }; unsigned long GetCrc32(const char *s, unsigned int len) { unsigned int i; unsigned long crc32val; crc32val = 0; for (i = 0; i < len; i ++) { crc32val = crc32_tab[(crc32val ^ s[i]) & 0xff] ^ (crc32val >> 8); } return crc32val; } $CCODE

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07 Jul 2008 14:37 #4812 by Oupiel
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What are the blue green tabs with A X markings?

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07 Jul 2008 14:49 #4813 by Netro
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Letrozole or Axio's flavor Letroplex.

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08 Jul 2008 14:31 #4840 by mazzal
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Thanks for the info guys!

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