Some input on my first cycle pls.

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09 Jul 2008 21:24 #4910 by Flux
Some input on my first cycle pls. was created by Flux
Hi guys, im looking to bulk on my first cycle and want to pic up round 15Lbs after pct. Could that be possible with this cycle? i have been training for 2years and pict up about 10Lbs naturaly.

weeks 1-3, 30mg dianabol ED to kick start my cycle
weeks 1-8, 375mg test Enanthate every week
PCT: 2 weeks after last shot of test, 30mg kessar ED for 3weeks

My stats are: 5ft7 and 165lbs with around 7% bodyfat, im 21 years old
Im trying to keep it as simple as possible for my first cycle. Diet is in check and going to eat loads of carbs an protien ED through out the cycle and im going to train like a mad man 5 days a week on a muscle mass program, high intensity.

Any input whould be appriciated
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09 Jul 2008 21:55 #4911 by Oupiel
Replied by Oupiel on topic Some input on my first cycle pls.
I think your goal of 6.8kgs (15lbs) net gain after PCT might be a bit optimistic from an 8 week cycle.

Dianabol & Enanthate will both account for a bit of water retention weight and if you "budget" on 1 kg per week (conservative) while on cycle, will only gets you to a gross weight gain of 8kgs.

That leaves only 1.2kgs loss after PCT. water & lean mass included.

Maybe aim a little lower and hit your goal, than aim higher and be dissapointed.
Getting dissapointed might tempt you to run higher and higher doses for longer.

As for the cycle itself, I see no major issue, but I am curious as to why you decided on 375mg of test.

Just my 5 cents worth. I'm sure others here may have different views.

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10 Jul 2008 07:40 #4916 by Empire
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ummmm i would sort out that pct out better,i would defiantly add in HCG in your pct.
if u are looking for lean mass gains with minimal water over 8 weeks i'd swop out the testen for test prop. if u want decent gains why not stack that with stanazol? test prop and stanazol will be a nice little cycle,if u eat clean u should add to much fat to the frame.thats my opinion...

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10 Jul 2008 07:45 #4917 by Netro
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20mg Kessar would do, add some Clomid in your PCT as well. Oupiel gave good advice, the cycle will cause water retention and this will disapate in PCT and you may be a little optimistic in those stats. What you can do is add Deca to the mix, gains would be much better. You would then need to drop the Kessar and add Ovidrel. A-dex as your anti-e during cycle. You can also run for 10 weeks and inject 2 x p/w for better and more consistent blood plasma levels.

On the other hand, this is your first cycle and Test and D-bol will give you good gains as most first cycles do. Maybe run with the original plan and see what you can accomplish, your bf is low so the gains will be more pronounced and visible than someone with higher bf %.

I would say give it a shot and see what you end up with. If you are happy and decide to go again you can look at stacking more compounds. D-Bol and test are predictable and sides easy to manage. You can even up the D-Bol a little and run for 4 weeks.

What test are you using to get to 375mg?

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10 Jul 2008 16:13 #4928 by Flux
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Thanx for the great advice guys!! Think im gonna add some clomid to the pct aswell. Im gonna be using test E from PGW, 300g/ml 10ml. Maby i worked it out all wrong but got 375ml a week for 8 week out of that??

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10 Jul 2008 16:38 #4930 by admin
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Flux wrote:

Thanx for the great advice guys!! Think im gonna add some clomid to the pct aswell. Im gonna be using test E from PGW, 300g/ml 10ml. Maby i worked it out all wrong but got 375ml a week for 8 week out of that??


Inject every 5 days so that you get 420mg per week.

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