steroids for ligaments

ok i have torn my shoulder ligament and i am seriously unimpressed...partly from the physio not doing a good job the first time i hurt my shoulder.

i am wondering whats the best course of action to take apart from seeing a new physio and anabolic support...i was going to start doing a courst of equi and anavar and winstrol whilst taking t3 but that looks like it is going to be postponed until this is sorted.

what do you recommend i should take to repair this ligament and how much a week?

Deca and growth hormone,, this is exactly what the medical use of deca is for

they will probably prescribe 50mg a week,, but I would use 600mg,, of course this will make you impotent unless you throw some test or proviron into the mix

I think you should first understand what AAS and GH does. AAS increases the size of muscle cells and thus the larger appearence, your tendons do not grow as as fast as the muscle increases size, so basically you get stronger and your tendons tend to take strain and thus the injuries occur, this is also why gains are lost due to poor PCT. GH generates new muscle cells and the growth is more consistent and the tendons grow along with the actual muscle, so basically your increase in strength and size can be handled by your body and that's also why gains on GH are permanent.

IMO you should get medical advice, if you do not you will just carry on injuring yourself and that could lead to operations for repair etc and maybe long term permanent damage.

Maybe doc could cut in here and offer some medical opinions and guidance around the issue.

i agree with you netro,i am getting physio done on it today,i am changing my physio cos the last one was pretty useless IMO.all she did was movement and very little massage more electronic pads,i like hands on work to be done...if i dont cry then it is repaired....if i cry then the physio is doing his job by stimulating the muscles...

Batman, it is dangerous to give advice as you did, especially regarding an injury like djeasy incurred. Firstly, I don't know what medical practice you attend, but no doctor in his right mind will prescibe and administer what you advised. Not even me - and I know my stuff..

Deca has never been developed for "lubricating" joints. It is just an "anecdotal" side effect, basically because of estrogen/progesterone receptor stimulation in the joint tissue, especially in tendons - and this deca does wonderfully, as it is a strong progestogenic agent.

Djeasy, it all depends on what you have injured. If you have just strained a rotator cuff muscle, good period of rest and short course of anti-inflammatories should do. If it doesn't clear up, go see your GP and have 1-2ml of Celestone Soluspan(cortisone) inected into the shoulder joint with atleast 2-3 weeks of rest. A couple of simple principles will also assist in the recovery process. Use the acronym PRICE. P stands for physiotherapy and pain relief, R stands for REST(the most important letter in the acronym), I stands for ice(we'll get to that shortly), C stands for compression(which is a bit difficult for a shoulder, but good for knees, wrist, elbow and ankles - meaning elasto-crepe bandage) and lastly E stands for elevation( lift the injured joint, especially when you rest or sleep). Now the ICE. First do warm compression to the joint, either warm water bag or nice hot shower. Never longer than 5 minutes. Immediately replace the heat with a plastic bag full of ice blocks, covered with a wet cloth of some kind. This stays on for 25 minutes. Repeat the procedure 2-3 times per day while you are RESTING(and not training!) the joint.
Keep on a high prot diet, esp high in amino acids and supplement extra glutamine - don't be shy with the latter. Use NOXplode - it will vasodilate the feeding arterioles in the tendon sheath and "push" in the good supplements.
One of the newer and excellent anti-inflammotories that works well for pain and inflammation, is Arcoxia 120mg. I prescribe this a lot to my patients with any sports injuries. You will need a script for this.

If you do all the above and there is still no improvement, you will need an orthopaedic consult, preferably one that specializes in the shoulder joint.

Growth Hormone will assist greatly, but you also need to train to optimize its effects - that leaves you a bit in a catch 22 position. If it were me, I would use it in anyway.

I had a supra -spinatus repair done of my shoulder 3 months ago(19'th October). The calcification was removed, as well as part of the acromion-clavicular joint. I did a very intense, to-the-book rehab for the shoulder. I did all the things above. I've been back into full training the last 4 weeks and am pushing heavier weights the last week than before my last competition. I was on AAS then, but not know. So, correct rehab is of utmost importance. Four weeks after my op, I was weighing 114kgs, did my full PCT and pushed the above mentioned supplements. I'm now clocking the scale at 123kgs, my shoulder has minimal pain and stronger than in the last 10 years.

Shoulder injuries, if not treated correctly, ALWAYS become chronic problems. Never mess around with shoulder injuries - all your upper body workouts will suffer!

Good luck!

ok it is a joint strain...thats all..it was a problem but the physio really didnt do anything amazing to repair it apart from ultra sound...i went to my mate who is studying chiropracting and he gave it a massage like i have never experienced,he got to the source of the problem and massaged the ligament/joint(i am not too sure) and he gave it stick...he recons next week i can go back but only push 60% of max weight,slower reps better form to work the stabilisers more and prevent injury...

Doctari I think you misunderstood / misread my post,,, I did not say deca was developed for lubricating joints,, however it is prescribed for injury recovery,,,

once again thank you for the help,its just gonna be time and massage for now...oh and arnica...

The problem is with AAS, is that it does promote strength a lot - and in injury that's where the problem lies. You use stabilisers around the injury and, because of AAS, they become strong. The injury itself continues if not correctly rehabilitated and eventually will lead to decrease range of movement, esp. if it is a shoulder injury.

I have treated a couple of guys(and not all of them were athletes) with acute RCS(rotator cuff syndrome) with intra-articular cortisone. The joint is very painful for about 48h after the injection, the the marvel of the cortisone starts kicking in and within days there is no more pain. Then they went and continued to do the same movements that caused the initial problem. Remember the pathology is not gone - just the pain. The end result? They tear the rotator cuff muscle/s and that's the end of their sport career. You end up with a formal shoulder operation and the rotator cuff repair leaves you with movement again, but never the strenght as before.

Bottom line is this: adequately REST injuries and rehab them correctly.

doc you are right,i asked him how long must i take off,he said wait a week,no back exercises or chest or shoulders,arms,abs,lower back and legs is all good,he is going to be doing treatment every 2 days and he is the one who will tell me i am ready,the last thing on my priority list is being out of training...he is a athlete himself so he knows how hard it is for me to stay away from training,but he says its a strain so he says a week off with decolofam and ice and arnica...

doc,once again you are the man,and i do value your advice and will take it to heart...your diet advice had been sound! and your recovery advice will be the same!