Deca + Oxymetholene Cycle...

Greetings,

anyone got an opinion on taking a deca + oxymetholene cycle for 8 weeks?

Or is it just way to insane?

I'm sure you know the difference between a good and a bad cyle bro, or you wouldn't phrase the q the way you did.

You need Test with the Deca first of all.. Drop the Var and front load the cycle with Dbol.

It's actually Anapolons, var is oxandrolone .... sorry to correct you

I'd watch the oxmeth for 8 weeks. That stuff is pretty darn nasty on the liver.

Read www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catanadrol.htm .

And i quote from his article:

1)As such it has a good degree of hepatoxicity and should not be used for longer than 6 weeks on end and it is highly recommended that you get your liver values checked regularly.

2)In terms of secondary drugs, I wish I had a lot to recommend here, but really there isn't much to be helped with oxymetholone. Even with liver protection it would still do serious damage and with every bit of added protection, the efficacy rate of oxymetholone would go down.

3)And I'll say it a third and last time, its best to get regular liver check-ups when taking Anadrol.

Thats just my 2 cents... I think in the world of steroids you can take pretty much anything else and it sounds like it will be way better for you.

My noobie 2 cents

Nope mate, oxymeth for 8 weeks will make you piepi red! rather take it for 3 or so weeks max.

Hi guys!

Okay fair 8 weeks of DECA and dbols.Really basic cycle.. ??? how does that sound??? As a cycle to gain bulk size...

I have used oxyies myself for 3 weeks.. Nomad version.. I had less sides from it than I did on DBOLS at 6 weeks.. My balls shrank but no other sides... Offcourse I did PCT. It dropped down after two weeks... and gained more size on the oxyies than anything else.. kept most of it too.. I got the biggest PUMP ever on oxyies.. I could barely walk for an hour and my calves were stiff as hell. I was only taking 50mg 1/tab per day... It was clearly enough, but some reckon you can go as far as 8 weeks??? Nobody seems to agree on its toxic levels... But yes it is the most toxic out of all orals...

Also people have highly exaggerated comments about dbols being toxic?? well yeah sure depending on how much you taking.... Your not going to damage your liver on a 6 week dbol cycle of lets say 30mg per day... Its not going to give the best results, and you will suffer from some sides....

Just because its a bad cycle, lets not tell the newbs its going to kill them in the long run if it wount...

So now comes the big question.. how bad is oxymetholene really????



I mean here is a even harsher oxy cycle with PCT:

www.saanabolicreview.co.za/cycles/Anapolin%20Cycle.html

I certainly would not recommend anapolin for a noobie.

Like most things in life its better to get weaned into things, deca, primo, and a little dbol will show results - with no sides.

You start taking Anapolin and Test as your first cycle where are you going to end up?

I agree *nod*

While I might agree that Anapolon is not the best for starting, D-bol is not that much better. They are both liver toxic, and have high progestagenic / estrogen sides and watery gains.

As a lot of the gain is water retention, the gains are not permanent. So you blow up and look smooth & bloated only to loose a lot when you come off; all the while exposing yourself to all the sides associated with these 2 orals.

In my mind its just not worth it! If the gains where leaner and more permanent then maybe.
I think its better to build slower and add lean quality over time.

As for noobies, what's the point of running a "mild" course at sub-optimal levels and only get limited gains. you still exposed yourself to some of the risks.
If you gonna do it, do it right! That includes injectables!

I just wish I could find Turanabol. It seems to be the best balance between Anapolon, D-Bol & Anavar.

See authenticsteroids.com/buyAnapolon-.html for deatiled review.

Id also prefer T-bol over D-bol.... admin what you say

jack wrote:

You start taking Anapolin and Test as your first cycle where are you going to end up?

First cycle should always be test only. Its the most natural compound to your body and is thus a good marker to judge how access androgens affect you.

Inja wrote:

jack wrote:

You start taking Anapolin and Test as your first cycle where are you going to end up?

First cycle should always be test only. Its the most natural compound to your body and is thus a good marker to judge how access androgens affect you.

While I agree with being cautious, it is also important that the user be educated. At least then they know enough to know when they are throwing caution to the wind & what to expect.

As for using Test only first time to kinda map your own personal reaction, hmm. I'm not sure how that would work? Test may be cool in even large doses, but you may flip @ low doses of Tren.

Also, the first cycly is supposedly the most effective, so I'd want a quality stack to make the most of it.

The test only cycle gives you an idea of how you react to androgenic or estrogenic sides, giving you an idea of whether or not you want to go with a DHT based compound or an aromatising compound.

All your testosterone hormones will remain in relatively the same ratios, and this is the rational for the stack being safer with regard to side effects.
Its an injectable so there is also the liver thing...

As for quality the body responds so well to your first cycle I don't know anybody that complains about the quality of a test only first cycle. I dropped two kilo's of water after mine, and my bf was noticeably lower. The muscles just grow so fast there is no room for poor quality gains in my opinion.

Out of interest what would you consider a better first cycle?

Inja wrote:

The test only cycle gives you an idea of how you react to androgenic or estrogenic sides, giving you an idea of whether or not you want to go with a DHT based compound or an aromatising compound.

All your testosterone hormones will remain in relatively the same ratios, and this is the rational for the stack being safer with regard to side effects.
Its an injectable so there is also the liver thing...

Ok I get your point on andro vs estro sides, but I'm not following you on test hormones will remain in the same ratio, etc.

As for my view on a first cycle:

Front Load T-bol 30mg - 40mg/day(4 weeks)
Test En 300mg/week
Equipoise 300mg/week

10 - 12 week cycle

But then you would never know how much of a difference the EQ made on your cycle, or how effective the Tbol kickstart was...

If you ran 500mg test first cycle, and then your cycle as a second cycle you could make a direct comparison of the effects of EQ and the oral kickstart. With this information you could make an informed decision about the compounds you wish to take in future cycles.