Confucius says "WTF....help" (cycle help)

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19 Mar 2009 08:29 #10809 by transformer
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Hi guys, I need some help to get my cycle in order.
i am looking at doing a course of
Tren-A or E or combination( which is better?)
Test prop
winstrol

My questions are:
is this a decent lean mass course?
what dosages should i take? ive read i MUST preload and ive also read its not necissary
how long should i run the course? ive read no more than 6 and others no less than 12
what PCT to run? ive read about kessar,letro,clomid, proviron and each is wayyyy better than the other
should i run PCT during or after?

i have been reading so many forums that my head is spinning i am so foncused that i cant type poprelly.

i have a slight hint of gyno est not Prog on 1 side, will this change my approach to PCT?

i have been reading this forum for a fair while now and believe there are some smart guys that can give me some real factual advice on the above.

thanks in Advance

Stats 5.11" 97kgs 12-15% bf

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19 Mar 2009 08:50 #10810 by admin
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Welcome to the forum.

I'm afraid that you are jumping into the deep end by starting with Tren.
Let's rather give you a proven cycle instead of fixing what you are currently doing wrong.

Get yourself the following:
2x Testen 300 from PGW
2x Fertomid-50 (Clomid)
2x Kessar-20
20x 20G needles for drawing the gear.
20x 23G needles for injecting the gear.
20x 3ml syringes
10x Alcohol swabs

You can consider getting a bottle of Letro as well in case gyno becomes a problem. If money is not a problem get some Liquid-Pharma or PGW Anavar and run that at 40mg per day as well at the end. (See cycle)

Then follow this cycle I attached:

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19 Mar 2009 09:03 #10811 by Empire
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first things first get hold of some letro and sort that gyno out... that should be first priority!

second of all if u are looking to use tren with prop and winstrol i would go for the short ester tren acetate,as the rest are also short esters and u will need to follow and every other day injection protocol... also if this is your first interaction with tren u will get less of the common sides with using the short ester version. i'd say to do that cycle for 6 weeks as you shouldnt really run winstrol injectable for longer than 6 weeks as it can become quite toxic and the stiff joints arent cool at all... also your pct,you should have to start with HCG this comes in the forum of ovidrel or pregnyl, you can start this 2 days after your last shot of prop seeing that the half life is short enough for you to start the Pregnyl without a waiting period. Seeing u are prone to Gyno i would go for letro or arimidex as your post cycle anti estrogen,instead of Kessar as that may spark up your gyno with the use of a 19nor substance..., clomid would be a good idea to add in,50-100mg for 5 days and then 5 days off then 50-100mg for a further 5 days. you can add in proviron to your pct just to boost your sex drive and help with estrogen control

if you are looking to cut down some body fat through this cycle look at adding in clen and an eca on a 2day eca,2day clen protocol or a 2week clen,2week eca protocol and try end up taking clen through your pct to maybe help with gain retention from your cycle.

your cycle is a decent lean mass cycle if you are doing decent dosages. i would do this dosages for your size. 200mg test prop,80mg tren acetate and 50mg of winstrol every second day,so u would need 2 bottles of 10ml tren acetate,1 bottle of winstrol,and 4 bottles of test prop. that should give u a decent little fat burning,muscle building lean mass stack if your diet is good...

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19 Mar 2009 09:05 #10812 by Empire
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transformer is this your first cycle dude?

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19 Mar 2009 09:16 #10813 by transformer
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thanks for the advice.
i have done 3 cycles of test-susp, equi and winstrol
picked up a good 7-10kg and kept it for 4 months now
to be honest im not looking for serious bulk, thats why i liked the equi and test-susp, even though the equi made me want to eat like there was famine on the horizon.
is the course u r recomending a lean mass builder.
from the looks of the jab schedule it looks like longer esther? right terminology?
i have read that testen with a second like equi or tren could have better results.
is this the case?
often we think simple is not as effective and that more is better.
in broader terms i am a beginner, even though i have trained with some of the best, i am way behind (juice terms), sometimes it is easy to follow their lead, and take what they r.
at what stage would the cylce i mentioned be a go.
thanks again

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19 Mar 2009 09:35 #10815 by admin
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I thought you were a first timer, so ignore my cycle above.

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19 Mar 2009 13:07 #10839 by Empire
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no the more frequent u jab the shorter the ester of the steroid at hand,u need to jab these substances every other day seeing that the half life is only 2 days so u need to keep the blood concentration stable...and that will happen with jabbing every other day...

u will get bigger results with equi and testen but thats as u will have more water retention with the testen,the test prop,tren acetate and winstrol will give u less water and more maintainable gains.

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19 Mar 2009 15:42 #10856 by Empire
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u can also throw in a good oral such t-bol or anavar if the budget allows for it...

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20 Mar 2009 09:08 #10879 by shrek
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Hi DJ, just wanted to through my 2cents worth in, did I not read that if you take Ketofen with clen then you do not need to cycle 2 on 2 off, also I read a very good article regarding the use of HCG through out your entire cycle so as to keep up your own test,and avoid gynowater retention etc.
I have tried it and did not get any sides with a very strong AAS cycle.

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20 Mar 2009 09:18 #10880 by Empire
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yes u can do so with clen and ketofin but u gotta realize that clen only stimulates the beta 2 cells, where as ephadrine (ECA) is like a sledge hammer and stimulates alpha and beta cells simultaneously giving u a better fat burning effect.also clen does fuck all for appetite control and when u are trying to diet this is vital in my opinion....i cant function when i am constantly hungry.

yes u can run a low level of HCG through your entire cycle,the longer the ester the more time u need to recover so u find that short esters give less suppression on your own natural test levels esp if u are running shorter blitz cycles such as this...

any other view points guys?

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